Author: Bob Sullivan

  • FTC: ID theft complaints drop, credit woes grow

    For the first time since the Federal Trade Commission started counting 10 years ago, the number of Americans reporting identity theft dropped in 2009, the agency said Thursday.  The drop was significant – about 10 percent – but doesn’t necessarily indicate the crime is disappearing.  The 278,078 reports taken last year still represent more than any year prior to 2008. 


    Meanwhile, reports of other kinds of fraud to the agency skyrocketed by 24 percent, with consumers telling the FTC they had lost $1.7 billion in those frauds.  The median lost per complaint was $399.


    Tops among this “other fraud” category were debt collection firms.  Nearly 10 percent of all complaints taken by the FTC involved debt collection, totaling nearly 120,000.  Debt collection complaints jumped by 11 percent from last year.


    Other credit-related complaints also jumped, including complaints about credit cards, which more than tripled from last year.  Complaints labeled “banks and lenders” were up by nearly 50 percent.


    FightPledge The results can be found in the FTCs annual report of top complaints to its Consumer Sentinel database, which was released Wednesday morning. John Krebs, director of the Sentinel database, said the jump in complaints about financial companies should come as no surprise.


    “These do seem to be in line with what we’ve seen given the state of the economy,” he said.


    Krebs cautioned against viewing the drop in ID theft reports as a trend, because the complaints represent only self-reported information from consumers.  Still, multi-year drops in reports of a particular type of ID theft involving credit card fraud provide a reason for optimism, he said.


    “Hopefully some of that represents increased awareness by consumers and increased vigilance by industry,” he said.


    Once again, most consumers reported their first contact with fraudsters generally arrived via the Internet – 48 percent said e-mail, while another 12 percent said a Web site. Only 10 percent of complainers said their incident began with a phone call, perhaps an indication of the success of the Do Not Call list, Krebs said.


    Other notable observations from the FTC data: Nevada is the state with the highest per capita rate of reported “other” fraud, followed by Colorado and New Hampshire.  Florida is the state with the highest per capita rate of reported identity theft complaints, followed by Arizona and Texas.


    Credit card fraud (17 percent) was the most common form of reported identity theft, followed by government documents/benefits fraud (16 percent), phone or utilities fraud (15 percent), and employment fraud (13 percent). Other significant categories of identity theft reported by victims were bank fraud (10 percent) and loan fraud (4 percent).


    Krebs said it’s hard to draw definitive conclusions from the raw data that the agency releases every year, other than to serve as warning to consumers that fraud is alive and well.


    “Clearly whether the number goes up or down, ID theft and fraud are still major issues,” he said. “The key message is it’s still out there, and with each new situation that arises in the economy fraudsters try to take advantage of it.”


    Krebs urged consumers to maintain a healthy skepticism and to take advantage of educational materials available on the FTC’s Web site, including a new video with tips on avoiding fraud and filing complaints.



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    THE FTC’S 2009 LIST OF TOP COMPLAINTS
    Rank Category No. of Complaints Percentages

    1
    Identity Theft 278,078 21%

    2
    Third Party and Creditor Debt Collection 119,549 9%

    3
    Internet Services 83,067 6%

    4
    Shop-at-Home and Catalog Sales 74,581 6%

    5
    Foreign Money Offers and Counterfeit Check Scams 61,736 5%

    6
    Internet Auction 57,821 4%

    7
    Credit Cards 45,203 3%

    8
    Prizes, Sweepstakes and Lotteries 41,763 3%

    9
    Advance-Fee Loans and Credit Protection/Repair 41,448 3%

    10
    Banks and Lenders 32,443 2%

    11
    Credit Bureaus, Information Furnishers and Report Users 31,629 2%

    12
    Television and Electronic Media 26,568 2%

    13
    Health Care 25,414 2%

    14
    Business Opportunities, Employment Agencies and Work-at-Home Plans 22,896 2%

    15
    Computer Equipment and Software 22,621 2%

  • Fight back! Take the Red Tape pledge

    RedTapeFight You probably have a workout buddy. You might have a dieting buddy.  Maybe you are part of a moms' support group or a car pool. Perhaps you decided to run a half-marathon this year, but only after one of your friends promised to train with you. 

    So why don't you have a stop getting ripped off buddy?

    We all know the power of social commitments and positive peer pressure.  It's oh so much easier to wake up at 6 a.m. and go running when you know a friend is waiting for you at the corner — and you'll face her mocking wrath if you don't show.

    We also know that everyone hates overpaying for credit cards, pay TV or cell phone service — yet we're all busy and hate the hassle of fighting back. We're distracted, we dread all the time spent listening to hold music, we fear rejection.  We know we should, but we just don't get around to it.

    Now's your chance to take a stand.

    We're going to harness the power of public commitment to motivate one other to take on unfair fees and charges.  Today, we're starting a new msnbc.com feature — the Red Tape Fight Pledge.  Click now to join a Facebook group devoted to helping you take on companies and monthly bills that just aren't right.  Pledge to spend one hour in the next 30 days fighting against a company that’s trying to take you to the cleaners, then come back and tell everyone how you did.  Your stories will be part of upcoming msnbc.com Red Tape Chronicles reports.

    But more important, you'll have made a public commitment to make that phone call or write that letter you've been putting off. To give up that one lunch hour to make sure your cable company isn't overcharging you. And you'll swap success stories and tips along the way.  Found a phone number that worked? Great. Have a Web site that helped you find the right customer service department?  Tell everyone. And if you hit a brick wall, share that too. You might find an answer from a compatriot here.

    To kick start the effort, here's a few ideas

    *This month I will call my pay TV company and tell them I want the same discounted deal they give new customers. Why should I be punished for being loyal?

    *I'll research a new credit card.  My bank has hiked my rate and lowered my limit, so it's time to shop around for new plastic. I tried 6 months ago, but I think it's time to try again. Things may have changed.

    *I hate my bank, so I will research small community banks and credit unions.  I hear it takes a little effort to switch, but one solid lunch hour might be enough.

    *I will carefully examine my 401(k) holdings. I've heard that some mutual funds have high expense ratios, and that those fees could eat up one-third of my retirement fund before I reach 65.  I will switch to low-cost index funds instead.

    There are plenty of others.  So jump over to the Facebook group now and leave your pledge. And remember to come back within a month and tell us what happened.  We'll offer helpful reminders right in this space.

    Now, fight for your money!

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  • Ticket scalping an Olympian headache

    Real ticket office 

    The line outside the official Olympics box office was much longer than the lines around scalpers on Wednesday (photo by Bob Sullivan)
     

    VANCOUVER — "I NEED TICKETS" screamed the signs hanging from the necks of the scalpers, in the style of a homeless person asking for a handout or a hitchhiker looking for a ride to Manitoba.  They meandered in and out of the crowd in Vancouver's Robson Square, the center of Olympic fan activities in the host city. 

    You've seen this scene before, but its overtness – taking place right outside the official ticket pickup location – was striking.  Scalping must be legal in Canada, eh?

    I love ticket scalpers. As people they are often slimier than moss-covered rocks.  But as a student of markets and consumer behavior, they provide me with endless hours of amusement. Ticket scalping is one of the purest forms of a true marketplace you'll ever find — buyers and sellers negotiating under extreme time pressure, both saddled with limited information and high risks, bidding on a commodity that is both perishable and scarce.  Fifteen minutes before game time, this market is extremely efficient.

    Event holders hate scalpers, of course. They say they are trying to protect consumers from fraud. Counterfeits happen, as do lies about seat location, but given the complete anonymity of the transactions, I'm constantly amazed at the relative lack of fraud in scalping.  While related, scalping (a secondary ticket market) and fraud (counterfeit tickets) are really different problems.  In reality, I think promoters are just jealous. When scalpers sell tickets at well above face value, they embarrass promoters by revealing that the tickets were underpriced.

    Naturally, the more amateurish the ticket buyers, and the more professional the sellers, the more money the scalpers make. And the more anonymous the transaction — say, the more distance between hometowns of buyer and seller — the easier it is to run a scam.

    That brings us to the subject of Olympic ticket sales, which create ideal conditions for all manner of scams and overpricing.  The Olympics arrive only every four years and often play out in small venues, making tickets scarce and valuable. Buyers invest an outrageous amount of money and time just to get to the scene. If they come without tickets, the pressure to get some is immense.  So they usually come hat in hand to scalpers.  Moreover, would-be scammers who sell for local baseball or football games have at least a small chance of seeing their victims in the future. Olympian scams pose almost no risk to the criminal, who will probably be half a world away by the time the ruse is exposed.

    Perhaps the largest Olympic ticket scam in history occurred two years ago. During the Beijing games, dozens of Olympic athlete families were scammed by a Web site, estimated to have stolen millions of dollars from would-be fans.

    The Vancouver Olympic Committee set out to prevent a similar debacle, using the only trick that such agencies ever consider: making money off scalping. In Vancouver, neither scalping nor exchanging tickets is allowed. Resold tickets can be "deactivated" and made invalid for events, the Olympic committee warns. It says anyone who wants to sell tickets must use the "fan-to-fan" Internet marketplace set up by the Olympic committee. The good news: tickets are relatively easy to find. The bad news: the agency makes 10 percent off both the sale and the purchase of the tickets. Even worse: High demand tickets are being sold eBay auction style. This week, opening bids for tickets to the “preliminary round” Canada-U.S. hockey game were listed as high as $10,000 — not including the $1,000 "marketplace" fee.

    So how is state-sponsored scalping doing at tamping down illicit sales? I went to Vancouver without event tickets to have a look. Knowing about the ticket troubles in Beijing, I fully expected the organized Canadians to have beaten down the business. Far from it.

    'Relaxed about things'
    Placard-wearing sellers were easily found, yelling like carnival barkers at the crowd, just above the child skating rink and popular free rip-cord line set up for the Games revelers. Within earshot — heck, close enough for a body check — were uniformed sheriff's officers (provincial law enforcement) ignoring the activity. Tickets were going for double their face value, more in some cases. The scalpers showed no fear of law enforcement. It was easy to spot the ringleader, going from seller to seller, whispering something in their ears every few minutes.

    Vancouver — a city where people say "I'm sorry" for passing you on the sidewalk — is trying its darnedest to be friendly for the World.  Volunteers in blue jackets that say "Ask me" are everywhere. So I asked. Is scalping legal?

    "No. But you know, we are a bit more relaxed about those things here," said one, who for obvious reasons didn’t want to be named. But he then warned me about the counterfeit ticket problem, before asking why Americans don't know where Manitoba is.

    Ten minutes later, I spotted two men and a woman wearing electric yellow sheriff's jackets, standing about 20 feet from a man selling tickets. I turned my back to him, quietly showed them my press pass, and inquired: "What is the law in British Columbia?"  I discovered that I'd apparently stumbled on the Canadian equivalent of the Pentagon Papers.

    "You'll have to ask the by-law people."

    "You can't tell me what the law is?"

    "You'll have to ask the by-law people."

    "What if I don't ask you as a reporter, just as a person who might buy a ticket. Is it legal to do so?"

    "You'll have to ask the by-law people."

    Not among my best interviews. 

    I was about to ask the obvious question ("What's a by-law person?") when one of them spotted a polite way out of the conversation.

    "Go ask him, that guy on the bike over there."

    The guy on the bike was a Vancouver city cop.  He also didn't want to be quoted. But he was serious.

    "It's illegal to sell anything without a permit in the city of Vancouver," he told me.  "You are subject to a $250 fine and seizure of the items you're selling."

    The fine hardly seemed a big risk, given the potential financial rewards, but the officer assured me that he was not to be taken likely.

    "I have about 50 or 60 tickets right here," he said, pointing to his backpack.  "Some guys lost a lot of money today."

    At this point, I scanned the horizon.  No scalpers were in sight.  Clearly, they were afraid of this cop.

    He also warned about counterfeiters.

    "The guys from France of Germany are long gone by the time you are at your event and can't get in," he said.

    Despite this policeman’s welcome clarity, my confusion over the legality of ticket scalping grew even more as the day wore on. While I was hearing about confiscated tickets, the Vancouver organizing committee was busy telling reporters that scalping was indeed legal. 

    “It’s important for those of you who may not be from (British Columbia) to know that scalping is not illegal here,” committee spokeswoman Renee Marie-Valade said at a news conference, according to a transcript provided by NBC. “So we are certainly aware that people may be selling tickets. We keep a close eye out for it.”

    She then went to great pains to steer prospective customers to her agency’s Web site.

    “ The best advice to any consumer who is still looking to buy a ticket … particularly if you are thinking about buying from someone that’s offering them on the street is to be very, very wary of that because that ticket may end up leaving you disappointed at the entrance to the venue,” she said.

    Almost scammed
    Just how big a problem are counterfeits?

    Joseph Rupolo of Long Island, N.Y., said he stopped his father on Tuesday, just moments before he was about to shell out $200 at Robson Square for fake tickets to a women's hockey game. Rupolo, an intern for the NBC Olympics team, had seen legitimate tickets at the office, with their trademark hologram logo. The tickets his father was about to buy were missing the logo. 

    "I checked the competition schedule later that day and found that Sweden wasn't even competing against Japan that evening," he said.

    He then spent the afternoon pricing tickets on Craigslist and other online sources — which are plentiful, if risky. A man named Cory offered to sell tickets to the men's hockey semifinal for $1,000.

    "I have the hard copy tickets here in Vancouver and will exchange in person at my place or at a bank. I will provide full proof of purchase and validity upon exchange," he wrote in an e-mail.

    Goal! Eventually
    Robert Broughton of New Westminster, British Columbia, told me he actually managed to successfully buy scalped tickets earlier this week in the Vancouver suburb of Richmond, but not without a bit of agony. First, he tried to attend the women's 3,000 meter speed skating race, but prices ranged from $250 to $400 each. He headed back to the train, where a seller hard-pitched him a ticket for $300, even though the event had already started.

    But over at Thunderbird Arena, where women’s hockey is being played, he managed to buy a spare ticket from an “amateur” seller for face value at $50 — after milling about for nearly an hour.

    His advice: "Don't waste your time talking to professional scalpers, especially ones with thick English accents. Their sole objective is to cheat you."

    Yes, many scalpers are pros. In fact, Broughton recognized some of the sellers from 1994, when he attended the Lillehammer, Norway games. 

    HerbboxFor obvious reasons, there is no good data on the amount of scalping at Olympic Games, and no way to know if Vancouver is doing better or worse than other games. With 1.6 million tickets for sale this time around, there's plenty of opportunity for mischief – and last-minute ticket purchases.  It's quite clear, however, that the Vancouver Olympic Committee's efforts to stamp out fraud and scalping by profiting off of it have not been an unqualified success.

    Houston-based attorney Jim Moriarty, who was a ticket scam victim in Houston, now runs a Web site called Olympic Ticket Scam.  He blames continued ticket problems on the International Olympic Committee’s convoluted process for purchasing tickets and the fact that it makes tickets so scarce that athlete family members have trouble getting into events.

    "There is a Code of Points used in the judging system for gymnastics. Where is the Code of Ethics for ticket distribution?" he asked in a recent post on his Web site. "There are volumes of rules and regulations for each Olympic sport; for judging; and for procedures. … The specifics for distributing tickets? Not so clear."

    Broughton, the Canadian fan who bought tickets from scalpers, also complained that Olympic tickets are kept artificially scarce, with many going to corporate partners, leaving few for local fans and travelers. As evidence for his complaint, he pointed to empty seats at many events.

    "After the game started, there were at least 500 empty seats at a supposedly sold-out event," he complained. "I'm still steamed about all the empty seats at the women's ice hockey game on Sunday. I would love to hear a reporter ask the’ People In Charge’ who holds these tickets, so that we all know that they were inconsiderate enough to leave them in a desk drawer."

    Reporters did ask Marie-Valade about the empty seat problem.  She said the committee had a “ticket SWAT team” looking into the problem, and offered this explanation.

    “It’s a complex environment because we have tickets that are sold to the public. Typically, what we are seeing is those seats that are sold the public are being used. Some of the blocs that you are seeing may in fact be not used through a variety of different programs that we have,” she said.  “We have an obligation to provide seats to athletes who may or may not be able to come watch the sports. There are a range of Olympic Family programs that provide seating. We are always looking at those and there’s a whole team of people who go to each sport event and look at where the empty seats are and come back and analyze what we can do for the next one to make sure those seats are filled. “

    Readers of Ron Paul would say that attempts to regulate ticket sales have predictably failed, and that a thriving black market has developed — as always happens when any agency seeks to artificially control the distribution of goods and services. There is little argument that capitalism is alive and well in Vancouver.  Right next to the scalpers were tables of women selling the must-have fashion accessory of these games — poofy red mittens that say "Canada" and include the familiar maple leaf.  They sold for $23 on Robson Square.  At the drugstore five blocks away, they cost $12.99.   

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  • EPIC: Google may have broken wiretap law

    If Google wanted to create a quick buzz around its new social networking service, it's certainly accomplished that. Last week, when the Web giant automatically signed up millions of Gmail users for its new Buzz social network, much of the Internet was sent into a privacy tizzy.

    Google announced serious modifications to the service later in the week, but that wasn’t enough for the Electronic Privacy Information Center (EPIC). On Tuesday, it filed a formal complaint with the Federal Trade Commission, asking the regulator to order more changes. EPIC also accused Google of violating federal consumer protection law and suggested the firm may have broken wiretap laws, too.

    While the details of the Buzz privacy dispute can seem esoteric, the main thrust of EPIC's complaint is simple: Google should never have pushed all 37 million U.S. Gmail users into a social networking service without asking, said EPIC Executive Director Marc Rotenberg.

    "E-mail is one area on the Internet where we have a well-understood expectation of privacy," Rotenberg said.  "E-mail is for private messages. You sign up for social networking to communicate publicly with people, Google tried to turn e-mail into social networking, and that's where they ran into trouble."

    The complaint lays out a series of alleged Google missteps that EPIC says constitute unfair or deceptive trade practices that violate the Federal Trade Commission Act. For starters, it says, all users who checked their Gmail account last week were suddenly signed up for Buzz.  While Google offered users a chance to "check out" the service, it didn't give them the option to avoid it.

    "Regardless of whether a user clicked the button labeled 'Sweet! Check out Buzz' or “Nah, go to my inbox,’ Google Buzz was activated," the complaint says.

    Gmail account holders who then began using Buzz found their first public posting was essentially a list of their most frequent e-mail contacts.  Buzz decided for itself who users e-mailed most often, then put those users on a list as "followers" and made that list public. Quickly, nightmare hypothetical scenarios were published — workers who had recently e-mailed about job interviews had their job hunt exposed, for example.   Cheating lovers or spouses were outed.

    "Gmail contact lists routinely include deeply personal information, including the names and email addresses of estranged spouses, current lovers, attorneys and doctors," the EPIC complaint said. "Users were not explicitly warned that their lists would be automatically visible to the public. … Anyone looking at a newly activated Buzz user’s following list would know that the list indicated which people that user communicated with most often."

    In addition to causing potential embarrassment — or worse – Google may have broken the law by disclosing e-mail contacts, EPIC said.

    "Improper disclosure of even a limited amount of subscriber information by an e-mail service provider can be a violation of both state and federal law," it said. "An attempt by an e-mail service provider to attempt to convert the personal information of all of its customers into a separate service raises far-reaching concerns."

    In a statement to msnbc.com, Google rejected the claim that it had broken the law.

    "The suggestion that Google Buzz may violate federal wiretapping laws is not correct, and so far EPIC has not elaborated on the claim. Google Buzz follows the law, as do all of our services," the statement read.

    Google has already gone through two rounds of revisions with its service, and Buzz now tells new users that frequent e-mail partners will be “followers” unless the user prevents that.  New users now see a list of potential followers — checked by default — when they sign up for the service.

    New_Buzz_startup 

    Google's revised start-up doesn't go far enough, EPIC says

    But on Tuesday, Rotenberg said that Google still hadn't gone far enough to address privacy concerns.  Buzz still ropes in Gmail users and their e-mail contacts by default, which can lead to unintended disclosure of personal information, he says.

    Rotenberg said Buzz users should have to actively opt in before Buzz is activated, rather than opt out.

    "It's always about the defaults," he said.

    EPIC has called on the FTC to force Google to:

    *make Buzz a fully opt-in service.
    * force Google to cease using Gmail users’ private address book contacts to compile social networking lists.
    *give Buzz users more control over their information.

    For a company that has already dealt with plenty of privacy related issues, Google's misreading of public reaction to Buzz is a surprise, said Larry Ponemon, a privacy researcher who runs The Ponemon Institute.

    "It is astonishing to me that a decision was made to release a product that the average person would see as a potential privacy snafu," he said. "Things like this seem to happen because people making decisions just aren't thinking about privacy. … Sometimes companies don't when they are about to release something they think is really cool."

    HerbboxPonemon did say that he was impressed with Google's quick response to the controversy, taking only a few days to make changes to the service.

    "They did take it seriously, you could tell they had all hands on deck," he said.

    Rotenberg said Google was more worried about stiff competition in the social media world than privacy.

    “Google tried to take advantage of its market position" by dragging all Gmail users into Buzz overnight, he said, thereby giving the service a running start in the uphill battle to catch Facebook and Twitter in the social networking space.

    That's why he wants the FTC to be more proactively involved in privacy policy.

    "The FTC has had a hands-off policy, leading to some bad business practices," he said.

    Google said in a separate e-mail statement to msnbc.com that it was working hard to make adjustments to its service based on user feedback, and will keep "user transparency and control top of mind.

    “We also welcome dialogue with EPIC and appreciate hearing directly from them about their concerns," the statement continued. "Our door is always open to organizations with suggestions about our products and services.”

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  • Obit for new consumer agency premature

    At a recent gathering of amateur consumer advocates in New York City, discussion turned to this thorny topic: How do you focus the rage people feel about rip-offs on fixing the problem?  Consumers are quick to anger when a company unjustly charges a $35 late fee, but they seem far more reluctant to get involved as Congress debates legislation that would make the $35 fee illegal. Why? One obvious reason: Congress is slow and the legislative process is confusing.  

    So here's a quick scorecard on the debate over creation of the proposed Consumer Financial Protection Agency, which would be the first new federal consumer protection agency since the 1970s.  While the congressional made-for-TV kabuki dance that will decide its fate won't take place for another several weeks, the real end game is happening right now, as Washington, D.C., appears to be slumbering under three feet of snow. So this is a good time to pay attention.

    In case you missed the last episode, here's a quick background: Harvard bankruptcy professor Elizabeth Warren proposed a new agency several years ago that would regulate consumer contracts on financial matters like credit cards and mortgages. Warren, now a bit of a cult hero in consumer advocate circles, is currently chair of the oversight panel Congress set up to monitor the TARP bailout. Banks don't like her much, but she's the odds-on favorite to head the new consumer agency should it be signed into law.

    During his campaign, President Barack Obama supported the idea of a new consumer protection agency, and he has called for its creation several times in the past year. In December, Rep. Barney Frank, D-Mass., ushered legislation through the House of Representatives — barely — that would create the agency. The Wall Street Reform and Consumer Protection Act passed by a 223-202 vote.

    Small msnbcNote that this bill does much more than create a new consumer agency; it includes a full set of financial regulatory reform proposals. But creation of the consumer agency appears to be the most divisive issue.  Supporters say that only an independent agency could act as a worthy adversary to the banking industry. Opponents argue that it's folly to create a single-purpose bank regulator that has no interest in the safety and soundness of the institutions or the overall health of the industry.

    Given the tight House vote, debate in the Senate was expected to be difficult,  and so far it has not disappointed.

    Retiring Sen. Chris Dodd, D-Conn., is head of the Senate Banking Committee, which now controls the fate of the legislation. Last year, he'd indicated unflinching support for it. But in January, he flinched. Numerous reports indicated his willingness to negotiate away creation of the agency in exchange for other regulatory concessions from Republicans – specifically the senior Republican on the Banking Committee, Sen. Richard Shelby of Alabama.

    The news sent consumer groups into a tizzy, with some predicting this meant the death of the Consumer Financial Protection Agency.

    But turned out the obituaries were premature.  Last week, Dodd's office announced that he had reached an impasse with Shelby, and that he was abandoning efforts at a compromise. Instead, he said, he would propose legislation that resembled the House bill.

    Warren, meanwhile, fresh from preaching to the choir during an appearance on Jon Stewart's “The Daily Show,” penned an impassioned op-ed in the Wall Street Journal reiterating the need for the agency.

    “The same Wall Street CEOs who brought the economy to its knees have spent more than a year and hundreds of millions of dollars furiously lobbying Washington to kill the president’s proposal,” she wrote.

    On Wednesday, Senate reform talks got a jump start, when Dodd opened negotiations with a different Republican on the Banking Committee, Sen. Bob Corker of Tennessee.  Both made public statements about the renewed talks on Thursday.

    "Senator Corker has proved to be a serious thinker and a valuable asset to this committee,” Dodd said in his statement. “For that reason, I called him Tuesday night and asked him to negotiate the financial reform bill with me. We met in my office on Wednesday and given the importance of these issues he agreed. I am more optimistic than I have been in several weeks that we can develop a consensus bill to bring about the reforms the financial sector so desperately needs to prevent another economic crisis."

    But does that mean creation of the agency is likely now?  Not at all.  Corker said Friday he is merely picking up where Shelby left off

    "Like most Republicans I believe a stand-alone agency for consumer protection or separating those protections from safety and soundness are nonstarters,” he said, according to Reuters. 

    What are they taking so long talking about?

    There appear to be two issues which have bogged down — and might ultimately kill – the agency.  The first  is independence. The second, a bit more subtle, is an effort to protect the independence of state-level consumer protections.

    By now, creation of a completely independent CFPA — something Republicans have compared to the Environmental Protection Agency — seems off the table. Most reports indicate that the agency will survive only if it is part of another regulator. It might be housed in the Treasury Department or be a part of the Federal Reserve, but could retain some independent rule-making authority.  And that's the sticking point.

    In October, while there was a flurry of stories concerning the potential watering down of the new agency, Warren spoke to msnbc.com and appeared to draw a line in the sand. At the time, some areas of regulation, such as car loans, were removed from its purview by the House of Representatives. 

    "I draw the line at independence," she said. "If the new agency isn't independent, it isn't worth doing."

    But this week, a source familiar with the negotiations said consumer groups have warmed to the idea of the agency being housed in the Treasury Department, as long as it has full independence within the department, comparable to the Office of the Comptroller of the Currency, which is also technically part of Treasury.

    Balber, from Consumer Watchdog, said the key distinction involves independent rule-making authority,

    "It would depend on how something like that is structured," she said.  "The key is that no one would have veto power or some other form of power to weaken the agency's decisions. So a stand-alone agency that's part of Treasury could work," she said. "I don’t think it would work if it were housed within a prudential banking regulator (such the Federal Reserve). They are looking first and foremost at bank profits."

    Meanwhile, state officials are worried about an issue that rears its head every time Congress considers consumer protection legislation – pre-emption.  Nationwide firms and industry groups often argue that federal law should trump, or pre-empt, state law, so that they don't have to abide by 51 different sets of rules. For example, a new federal law to require 45-day notice when raising a consumers' interest rate would override an existing state provision that requires a longer warning period. Obviously, state lawmakers and attorneys general have bitter distaste for pre-emption, which reduces their power and ability to regulate.

    Because of hang-ups over the independence of the agency, negotiators haven't even begun to deal with the thorny issue of pre-emption yet, according to another source familiar with the talks. That means there are still significant obstacles in its way.

    HerbboxMeanwhile, opponents continue to voice their objections to creation of the agency. The U.S. Chamber of Commerce is leading the public fight, airing commercials that say the agency would hurt small businesses and making its case at the Web site Stopthecfpa.com.

    Noted Republican pollster Frank Luntz has even gotten into the act, recently publishing a talking points memo called "The Language of Financial Reform." In it, he advises opponents of the Consumer Financial Protection Agency to paint it with the broad brush of "big government."

    "Creating another costly government bureaucracy on top of existing bureaucracy isn’t a solution – it helped cause the problem," he advises, according to the memo obtained by The Huffington Post. He also instructs opponents to appeal to their voters by saying the legislation is full of "lobbyist loopholes" for industries like car dealers and pawn brokers.

    There are two other x-factors that might become part of the discussion.  If a large U.S. bank supported creation of the agency, that would make it more palatable to Republicans.  Earlier this month, Bloomberg reported that Bank of America CEO Brian Moynihan has told White House officials that the bank was not "lobbying against the agency." The bank stopped short of supporting it, however.

    Meanwhile, it's unclear how much the force of Elizabeth Warren's personality and popularity might be adding to the financial industry's aversion to the agency.  Banks are used to dealing with faceless, nameless bureaucrats.  A popular consumer advocate with a ready-made bully pulpit might be part of the reason they are digging in their heels. 

    So the future of the agency, and the legislation, seems entirely up in the air, a moving target — another reason that U.S. consumers might find it difficult to engage in the debate.  Most observers feel that Dodd has the votes he needs to pass even the most liberal version of the bill through the Banking Committee, and that he intends to bring some financial reform bill to a vote on the Senate floor, probably in March. There, it is likely to find the same fate as health reform — it won't have 60 supporters and will die a parliamentary death unless at least some Republicans support it.  A source familiar with the discussions said Rep. Barney Frank wants to force a Senate vote, which would require Republicans opponents to cast a potentially unpopular vote against consumer reforms.  Balber is among many consumer advocates who would like to see issue come to a head.

    "We are still concerned that something less than consumer agency will come out of this," she said. "Right now, things are constantly shifting. We are calling on Dodd to make his position clear. … Meaningful financial reform must make the marketplace safer for everyday Americans."

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  • Online flower prices still grow and grow…

    If you study hidden fees and price distortions for a living, Valentine's Day is your Super Bowl. Can you name another industry where the true price of an item is routinely more than double the advertised price? Yet that's precisely what you'll encounter this week, when you realize that Valentine's Day is Sunday and you'd better get your order in fast. 

    In fact, really fast.  Before we get to the nitty-gritty of the free market mess that is Valentine’s flower shopping, let me tell you procrastinating lovers out there this important news: Because Valentine's falls at the end of weekend this year, price distortions are even worse than usual. To get a good deal, you're going to have to accept shipment on this Thursday , Feb. 11, a full three days early.  Most sites are applying weekend shipping rates to Friday, Saturday and Sunday.  So as we click through the thorny world of flower shopping online, know that you should really place your order immediately to avoid paying a serious procrastinator's premium.

    On this romantic holiday, the stars align for confusion marketing and consumer gaffes. Unlike airline tickets or lingerie, which can be purchased at an early-bird discount, flowers are perishable, so there's really no way to avoid the last-minute price spikes.  Also, men aren’t great comparison shoppers, and they feel quite a bit of pressure — some real, some imagined — to perform on this day. Finally, as the calendar clicks down, and the price of store-bought roses climbs, a swarm of radio and television advertising promising romantic rescue completes the perfect storm of consumer risk.

    Are the advertisements legally deceptive? That's for the Federal Trade Commission to decide.  Do they smell bad?  I'll gladly offer my opinion here on the top florist sites, stated in the form of familiar scents.

    FTD.com
    Scent: Fetid Water. Remember, roses in a vase need fresh water every few days!

    To the untrained eye, FTD.com might seem to have the best deal. There it is, right on the home page:  "Starting at $19.99," next to a beautiful picture of two dozen roses.

    Finding something for $20 on the site is quite a quest, however.  On Monday morning, Clicking on "shop now" brought you to a page of roses and other Valentine's gifts sorted in apparently random order — some costing $80 or more.  Clicking on sort by "lowest price" didn't bring up the $19.99 roses, but it did bring up the chance to buy a $20 teddy bear, then some more expensive boxes of chocolates.  Four rows down, the low-to-high price order reset, and the "Simply Cheerful" bouquet of roses appeared for $19.99.  The site apparently fixed its sorting order later that day, and by Monday afternoon the least expensive bouquet did appear atop the sort-by-price page.

    Small msnbc Still, finding the $19.99 bouquet was just the beginning of the quest. Clicking on it immediately brought up a box offering "good," "better," and "best" choices. Good, including a “free” vase, cost $29.99.  The other choices were even more expensive.  There was no option to click on the original $19.99 flowers, which I can only assume would be considered "bad." But a little perseverance made the pop-up box go away, and a careful click brought up the option of actually purchasing the $19.99 flowers.  Sort of.

    Next, I filled in the delivery zip code and pick a delivery date. So far, the flowers still seemed to cost $20. 

    On the subsequent page, when the purchase was added to the virtual shopping cart, came the first mention of fees and taxes — not the cost, mind you, simply the fact that there are fees and taxes.

    Next came the delivery address form, and the chance to personalize a card sent with the flowers.  Still, the price is was $19.99

    Only after clicking "continue" did the punch line arrive.  On the same page that the a billing address and credit card were required, the true price was unmasked. In my case, I was told that my $19.99 flowers would cost $38.49 – or $42.77 if I wanted them delivered on Saturday.  In both cases, a $15.99 service charge and $2.51 in taxes were added to my purchase. For those keeping score at home, that's basically the same pricing structure I found at FTD.com in last year's column on the same topic.

    A spokesman for FTD.com — part of United Online, which owns other brands like Classmates.com and NetZero — said the firm couldn't submit to interviews, citing an upcoming investor earnings call report. It did issue a statement, however.

    "We sell a dozen roses starting at $19.99 as indicated on the Web site. The service fee like other similar charges such as taxes, shipping, etc. must be listed separately from the price of the product.,” it read. “After we have received the necessary information to determine all charges for an order, some of which vary, we list those charges collectively in one location, which for us, is the checkout page. This practice is clear and consistent with other sites in our industry as well as with many other industries on the Internet."

    Proflowers.com
    Scent: Gingko trees (pretty before they begin to smell like dog poo)

    You can't listen to or watch sports this week without hearing from Proflowers.com.  If you'd like to order from the site, listen carefully. The coupon codes you'll hear do work, and by using them you can turn a rotten deal into an average one.  Still, shop this site with your eyes wide open and your nose held shut —  it's the worst at revealing the true price, which isn't shown until after the customer enters their credit card number.

    When going directly to the site's home page, the most economical rose bouquet shown there cost $39.99. The price included 18 roses and a "free" vase. It didn't include "care and handling," however, which cost $2.99. Delivery added $9.99 and shipping the free vase cost an extra $1.63.  Add $5.19 tax, and by the time you clicked your way out the door, the $39.99 arrangement cost $59.70.

    To make for an easier comparison to FTD.com, I'll describe a click trail through a $19.99 offer of one dozen roses, using one of those ubiquitous coupon codes.

    Entering the code on the home page led to a page full of featured offers, including the 12-rose deal. Clicking on that enabled me to select a free simple vase, or two other vases that cost $7 and $10. Then, I picked a delivery date from a handy calendar which made it clear that some dates cost more for shipping.  Letting Proflowers decide between Thursday and Friday shipping cost only the "standard shipping rate."  Specifying Friday delivery cost an extra $5.  Saturday delivery cost an additional $10, and actual Valentine's delivery cost $15 more.

    More than what?  To find out standard shipping rate at this point, users must click the word "details" and dig through an imposing page of information. "Standard Express Delivery" (is it standard or express?) costs from $5 to $15.  Looking deeper, I found the care and handling charge, along with the vase shipping charge, buried within morning delivery fees, priority rush delivery fees, international delivery fees and white meat only fees.  (I made that last one up just making sure you were still with me.)

    Naturally, the vast majority of shoppers would bypass that pop-up and proceed to checkout at this point. To keep costs down, I gave Proflowers the delivery option.

    Then, I entered the delivery information and filled out the card.

    Next came the billing information, including credit card number and expiration date.  Billing for what?  I still didn't know. 

    Against my better judgment, I clicked to see what the price might be, believing the promise that I’d  have a chance to review the order before it was final.  That turned out to be true.  But again, serious sleuthing was required to find the grand total.  The review order page popped up with a large button at the top giving users a chance to "confirm order.”  To echo a line from Woody Guthrie’s Alice’s Restaurant: At the bottom of the page, away from everything else on the page, designed to require scrolling to see, read the following: Total: $35.28.

    The good news: that was a bit cheaper than FTD.com. The bad news: the price was even more obscure. 

    Proflowers, which is operated by Liberty Media, did not respond to an interview request on Monday.

    1800Flowers.com
    Scent: One yellow rose

    For a refreshing change, flower buyers should consider 1800Flowers.com. The site is running a special right now that promises shoppers no shipping or service fees.  Saturday delivery costs $7.99 extra, but that's clearly described in a large note atop the first page. Clicking through a purchase revealed that $29.99 purchases really did cost $29.99. The company deserves major props for separating itself from competitors on the hidden price issue.

    "We want costs to be very visible, to be transparent to the consumer with what their total costs will be," said Joe Pititto, vice president of corporate communication. "This is a very confusing marketplace."

    Pititto said the up-front pricing was "good for our brand," even if some consumers might be tricked by competitors' lowball advertisements.

    So why does 1800Flowers.com rank only one rose?  On its home page is a picture of beautiful red roses, and the words, "starting at $29.99 … roses, flowers, gift bundles, plants, chocolates."

    Sadly, there are no roses for sale at $29.99. The least expensive roses listed on Monday cost $34.99.  Pititto said the $29.99 price applies to the entire list of gift options, and one floral arrangement is available at that price, so he didn't feel the page was misleading. And after msnbc.com's interview with the firm, a rose arrangement costing $29.99 appeared.

    I'll let readers be the judge. At least the true cost of the rose arrangement was revealed in two clicks.

    Lingering concerns over past practices also limit 1800Flowers’ rating. Recently, former shoppers at 1800Flowers received notice of a class-action settlement around confusion over shipping fees. Those who bought from the site between March 2006 and February 2008 are entitled to $10 gift vouchers according to the terms of a recent settlement, still awaiting final court approval.  The firm denies any wrongdoing, but readers can read more about the settlement and reach their own conclusions.

    (Details here: http://www.molnarsettlement.com/)

    So a scorecard of our findings so far (before the cheapest arrangement at 1800Flowers was changed) reveals the bad news for consumers.

    Least expensive roses:

    *FTD.com: $38.49
    *Proflowers.com:$35.28
    *1800Flowers.com $34.99

    Despite all that clicking around, and all that futzing over fees, the prices were virtually the same. Of course, each site offered dozens of floral choices, and your after-charges could vary widely from mine once your order is personalized.

    So there is simply no way around this fact: Shopping around for Valentine's Day flowers requires a lot of clicking and a commitment to a lot of typing before you can truly make sure you get the right price.  Women (and men) lucky enough to receive flowers this week should appreciate the effort.

    HerbboxFortunately, there are additional choices Teleflora.com (scent: a carnation. Pretty, but odorless) isn't cheaper, but it is delightfully simple. The site charges a $14.99 service fee that's clearly labeled.  The least expensive arrangement costs $29.  It takes two more clicks to find the total price is $44.98. Not bad, but not great. One very nice feature of Teleflora, however, is the ability to choose which local florist fulfills the order.

    More adventurous shoppers could consider ordering from a small but growing list of direct-from-Latin America growers, who will ship stems right from their farms to U.S. addresses, such as Fiorentina Flowers in Ecuador. Minimum orders can be steep, however, at 100 stems or more.

    And of course, the nicest (and often cheapest) thing to do is buy from a local florist. If you are sending flowers long distance, look up a nearby florist online, then call and ask what $35 will get you. 

    Or, if possible, head to the store on Wednesday or Thursday to beat the rush, place the stems in water, and deliver them yourself. Big box stores like Costco and Wal-Mart often have good deals, and so do local grocers. You’ll know exactly what you’re getting for the price, you’ll probably save some money, and you’ll be the one smelling like a dozen roses. Given the state of the economy, knowing how to get a good deal is pretty romantic. 

    Editor's note: An earlier version of this story incorrectly attributed a statement issued by FTD.com to ProFlowers.com. Msnbc.com regrets the error.

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