{"id":260843,"date":"2010-02-01T16:36:36","date_gmt":"2010-02-01T21:36:36","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.rhrealitycheck.org\/blog\/2010\/01\/28\/dispatches-abortion-wars-talking-carole-joffe"},"modified":"2010-02-01T11:53:44","modified_gmt":"2010-02-01T16:53:44","slug":"dispatches-from-the-abortion-wars-talking-to-carole-joffe","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/mereja.media\/index\/260843","title":{"rendered":"Dispatches from the Abortion Wars: Talking to Carole Joffe"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>\nThere is no area of medicine except for abortion in which<br \/>\nsecrecy, constant politicization of a medical procedure, and even fear and<br \/>\nshame about medical work is par for the course. While many women seeking<br \/>\nabortions find their access to this legal procedure diminishing, abortion<br \/>\nproviders also face onerous obstacles to providing care, and increasing danger<br \/>\nin doing so.\n<\/p>\n<p>\nIn Carole Joffe&#8217;s new book <em><a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/gp\/product\/0807035025?ie=UTF8&amp;tag=feminrevie-20&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=9325&amp;creativeASIN=0807035025\">Dispatches<br \/>\nfrom the Abortion Wars: The Costs of Fanaticism to Doctors, Patients, and the<br \/>\nRest of Us<\/a><\/em>, she often uses pseudonyms to protect the privacy of<br \/>\ndoctors and clinic workers she interviewed. As she details, many physicians are<br \/>\nactively discouraged from incorporating abortion into other forms of medical<br \/>\npractice, and the choice to perform abortions in some areas may make practicing<br \/>\nany other type of medicine virtually impossible.\n<\/p>\n<p>\nSimilarly, the risks and<br \/>\ncomplications of performing abortions in isolation prevent many doctors from<br \/>\never doing them. Knowing that they will not be backed by a supportive community<br \/>\nand may be targeted by fanatic activists, they may simply choose to opt out of<br \/>\nproviding care they believe to be necessary and ethically unquestionable. In<br \/>\nthese and many other ways, Joffe&#8217;s comprehensive overview and history of the<br \/>\npast 35 years details the very real and often urgent implications for women<br \/>\nwhen health care providers-doctors, nurses, pharmacists-are targeted by violent<br \/>\nextremists.\n<\/p>\n<p>\nThroughout the book, Joffe explores such divergent but<br \/>\nrelated topics as advances in fetal medicine and widespread use of ultrasounds,<br \/>\nwhich became popular in the 1980s and have affected many peoples&#8217; relationship<br \/>\nwith the fetus; how anti-abortion activists&#8217; tactics play on other people&#8217;s<br \/>\nguilt of possessing sexual freedom, and how abortion practitioners who feared<br \/>\nthe police pre-Roe now fear protestors instead. She details the specific issues<br \/>\nfacing teens and the double standard that is applied when young people can be<br \/>\njudged as too immature to make the decision to choose to terminate a pregnancy<br \/>\nwithout parental consent, yet are judged fit to have a child nonetheless. Joffe<br \/>\nalso investigates the relationship between economic hardship, childbirth, and<br \/>\nreproductive justice and writes passionately about how strictly pro-abortion<br \/>\nadvocates must make space for the reproductive justice movement to flourish if<br \/>\nit is going to promote the health and rights of all women.\n<\/p>\n<p>\nIt is telling that the most extreme violence against<br \/>\nabortion providers takes place during pro-choice presidencies, and perhaps most<br \/>\nsalient for many readers looking ahead, Joffe pays respectful homage to Dr.<br \/>\nGeorge Tiller, who provided essential care in the most extreme circumstances of<br \/>\nincest, rape, and complications late in pregnancy when so many others could or<br \/>\nwould not. Joffe ends her detailed account by looking at a future in which new<br \/>\nleaders must come forward to take up Tiller&#8217;s-and our collective-cause.\n<\/p>\n<p>\nJoffe, also an RH Reality Check <a href=\"http:\/\/www.rhrealitycheck.org\/blog\/966\">contributor<\/a>, recently spoke<br \/>\nto me about her timely, if controversial, book.\n<\/p>\n<p>\n<strong>Q:<\/strong><strong> <em>In <a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/gp\/product\/0807035025?ie=UTF8&amp;tag=feminrevie-20&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=9325&amp;creativeASIN=0807035025\">Dispatches<br \/>\nfrom the Abortion Wars<\/a>, you explain the importance of the role<br \/>\nof the deputy assistant secretary for population affairs (DAPSA) in the<br \/>\nDepartment of Health and Human Services, who is in charge of federal family<br \/>\nplanning programs and oversees Title X of the Public Health Service Act.<br \/>\nHowever, former DAPSA appointees have lacked substantial professional experience<br \/>\nin family planning and have been appointed based more on their moral stances<br \/>\nthan credentials. Why is such an important role so frequently overlooked in the<br \/>\ndebates about federal laws regarding reproductive freedom?<\/em><\/strong>\n<\/p>\n<p>\nWell, this role is overlooked by most Americans, but<br \/>\ncarefully looked at by advocates on both sides of the abortion debate. In<br \/>\ngeneral, it is fair to say that most Americans are apolitical, not especially<br \/>\ninterested in government, and know relatively little about the workings of the<br \/>\nfederal bureaucracy.\n<\/p>\n<p>\n<em><strong>Q: You write about how<br \/>\nmany ob-gyn practitioners lack basic abortion training. Do you think the<br \/>\nmedical community&#8217;s larger lack of understanding of abortion procedures<br \/>\ntrickles down the population at large? How do you think this affects women&#8217;s general<br \/>\nknowledge of abortion technology and options?<\/strong><\/em>\n<\/p>\n<p>\nEven though most ob-gyns don&#8217;t perform abortions, I do not<br \/>\nbelieve that they don&#8217;t understand what abortion involves &#8212; many ob-gyns, for<br \/>\nexample, perform procedures (e.g. d and c&#8217;s) that are similar to abortions. I<br \/>\nbelieve the American public&#8217;s misunderstandings of abortion procedures stem<br \/>\ndirectly from the very effective propaganda campaigns waged for years by the<br \/>\nanti-abortion movement. In particular, the so-called &quot;partial-birth abortion&quot;<br \/>\ncampaign led many people to believe that most abortions took place very late in<br \/>\npregnancy and involved near-term fetuses. In fact, only 1 percent of all<br \/>\nabortions take place after 21 weeks.\n<\/p>\n<p>\n<em><strong>Q:<\/strong><strong> You explain some of<br \/>\nthe ways primary care physicians have incorporated abortion into their<br \/>\npractices. Can you talk about some of the hurdles these doctors face?<\/strong><\/em>\n<\/p>\n<p>\nThey face the problem of obtaining malpractice coverage.<br \/>\nThey face the problem of having supportive colleagues, who share their<br \/>\ncommitments to abortion care, and who will provide coverage for them if they<br \/>\nhave to be out of town. In spite of these obstacles, some primary care<br \/>\ndoctors-and where it is legally permitted, nurse practitioners, midwives and<br \/>\nphysician assistants-have successfully incorporated abortion care into their<br \/>\npractices.\n<\/p>\n<p>\n<strong>Q: <em>Why isn&#8217;t the general<br \/>\npublic more aware of the everyday threat of violence and dangers abortion<br \/>\nproviders can face?<\/em><\/strong>\n<\/p>\n<p>\nI think the general public is aware of the violence that<br \/>\nproviders face. I think the public is less aware of the other obstacles &#8212; such as<br \/>\ntargeted regulations against abortion providers (&quot;trap laws&quot;), lack of<br \/>\ncollegial support, malpractice problems, etc &#8212; that face abortion providers. I am<br \/>\nquite convinced that the overwhelming majority of the public is very much<br \/>\nagainst the violence faced by providers, especially when it results in murder,<br \/>\nas we saw recently with the assassination of Dr. Tiller in Kansas. But though<br \/>\nthis violence brings sympathy for the providers (and disgust with the<br \/>\nextremists), I also think the legacy of this violence is to mark abortion as<br \/>\nsomething that is always controversial, and that many people therefore simply<br \/>\nwish to avoid thinking about (until\/unless they need one!).\n<\/p>\n<p>\n<strong>Q: <em>With the enormous<br \/>\ncosts in terms of time and resources spent on security, police backup, cleanup<br \/>\nand HAZMAT for clinics under the threat and reality of violent<br \/>\nactions-including anthrax threats, acid attacks, and arson &#8212; why are<br \/>\nanti-abortion activists not considered domestic terrorists?<\/em><\/strong>\n<\/p>\n<p>\nExcellent question! Certainly by the abortion rights<br \/>\ncommunity, they are thought of in this way &#8212; when the violence first started to<br \/>\npick up in the late 1980s, I recall advocates going to the administrations of<br \/>\nRonald Reagan and the first President Bush and saying exactly that &#8212; these are<br \/>\ndomestic terrorists&#8230; but not until the Clinton administration, and the first<br \/>\nkillings of providers in the 1990s, was the problem taken seriously. Clinton<br \/>\nsigned the &quot;face act&quot; &#8212; &quot;freedom of access to clinic entrances&quot; &#8212; which made it a<br \/>\nfederal crime to interfere with someone trying to enter a clinic. This did<br \/>\nreduce the then quite common blockades and sieges of clinics. And after Dr.<br \/>\nBart Slepian of Buffalo was killed in 1998, then-Attorney General Janet Reno<br \/>\nconvened a task force within the Justice Department on clinic violence. I do<br \/>\nbelieve that the Dept. of Justice, especially under this administration, takes<br \/>\nviolence against providers seriously. The problem of course is with<br \/>\nimplementation of laws at the local levels. For whatever reasons, the local FBI<br \/>\nand the local police in Kansas did not respond to reports of Scott Roeder (the<br \/>\nmurderer of Dr. Tiller) having vandalized a Kansas clinic the <em>day before<\/em> the Tiller murder, even<br \/>\nthough Roeder&#8217;s license plate number was reported to these authorities.\n<\/p>\n<p>\n<strong>Q: <em>What effect do you<br \/>\nthink the recession is having on women&#8217;s access to abortions? How much more<br \/>\nlimited are poor women now than they were previously?<\/em><\/strong>\n<\/p>\n<p>\nThere are widespread reports of more women needing<br \/>\nreproductive health services &#8212; both contraception and abortions &#8212; and not being<br \/>\nable to afford them. The various funds that help poor women pay for abortions<br \/>\n(35 states do not allow use of Medicaid funds for this purpose) report that<br \/>\nthey are running out of money, because the requests have escalated. Our access to data on how many abortions are<br \/>\ntaking place is always lagging by a few years &#8212; but I suspect that this period of<br \/>\nrecession will ultimately be revealed to be one in which the number of both<br \/>\nunintended pregnancies and abortions rose.\n<\/p>\n<p>\n<strong>Q: <em>How will a<br \/>\nsignificantly restricted universal healthcare bill affect low-income women who<br \/>\nseek abortions?<\/em><\/strong>\n<\/p>\n<p>\nWell at this moment, it is not clear there will be any<br \/>\nkind of healthcare bill, and it almost certainly will not be universal, to my<br \/>\ngreat disappointment. From the start, it was clear that the best the abortion<br \/>\nrights movement could hope for was the status quo &#8212; that is, as the Capps<br \/>\nAmendment (named for Rep. Lois Capps of California) put it, the bill would be<br \/>\nabortion neutral, leaving in place the Hyde Amendment, which prohibits the use<br \/>\nof public funding for poor women. But both the Stupak Amendment in the House,<br \/>\nand the Nelson &quot;compromise&quot; in the Senate, would make the abortion situation<br \/>\nworse-ultimately resulting, as health policy scholars from George Washington<br \/>\nUniversity concluded, in a situation in which insurance plans which now offer<br \/>\nabortion coverage, would cease to do so &#8212; making it harder to obtain such<br \/>\ninsurance, even with private funds.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>There is no area of medicine except for abortion in which secrecy, constant politicization of a medical procedure, and even fear and shame about medical work is par for the course. 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