{"id":296723,"date":"2010-02-09T05:56:12","date_gmt":"2010-02-09T10:56:12","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/globalvoicesonline.org\/?p=121983"},"modified":"2010-02-09T05:56:12","modified_gmt":"2010-02-09T10:56:12","slug":"china-let-feng-zhenghu-come-home-to-jail-time","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/mereja.media\/index\/296723","title":{"rendered":"China: Let Feng Zhenghu come home, to jail time"},"content":{"rendered":"

Feng Zhenghu<\/a>'s 92-day protest in Narita airport<\/a> has ended and he now has a flight back to Shanghai booked for this Friday, just in time for Chinese New Year, but updates<\/a> [zh] to his Twitter account over the past weekend suggest that Feng remains unsure over whether he'll be let back into China. This Friday at noon will be his ninth consecutive attempt to return home.<\/p>\n

\"fzhu92\"<\/a><\/p>\n

Why hasn't Feng, with his valid passport, been allowed to return to China, a right supposedly afforded<\/a> to all Chinese citizens? In the absence of an explanation from Beijing, many have looked to Shanghai and see Feng's story as part of a larger trend of local authorities' growing willingness to violate rule of law with disregard to response from the Central government<\/a>.<\/p>\n

Mainland Chinese media aren't reporting on Feng's current forced exile, and many blog posts and BBS threads on the topic have been harmonized<\/a>; sentiment within China's virtual (self-imposed) exile community on Twitter stands quite strongly<\/a> in Feng's favor, but in a case this like what more is there really to say?<\/p>\n

A lot it turns out, judging from this archived Anti-CNN thread<\/a> which dates back to December and runs on for five pages; comments from the first page illustrate a seldom-heard perspective on the larger story behind Feng's situation, that of the plight of figures in China's exiled democracy movement<\/a>, several of whom have recently begun using sites like Facebook and Twitter to connect with a growing number of mainland netizens:<\/p>\n

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I Signed up 4u:<\/p>\n

WRT Feng Zhenghu's case, I think I've switched sides
\nYou know he does have a fair amount of his own money, nobody's really going to believe that he's bankrolled by the US gov.<\/p>\n

He's not affiliated with any groups, so it's hard to paint him as part of the democracy movement.
\nThey won't let him come home, and he hasn't even been given a reason.<\/p>\n

Just what is going on there in Shanghai?<\/p><\/div>\n

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liuyw2009:
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liuyw2009:<\/p>\n

Who are you to speak up for him? Do you know him?<\/p><\/div>\n

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I Signed up 4u:<\/p>\n

No, I don't.<\/p>\n

But it's because I don't know him that I'm curious. I want to know what this is all about.
\nI mean they have to have some sort of reason to take steps like this, no?<\/p>\n

That's the scary part.<\/p><\/div>\n

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shangqunsheng:
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shangqunsheng:<\/p>\n

From what I know, Feng Zhenghu has a Japanese residency visa, the Immigration Bureau of Japan has let him enter the country numberous times. (according to HainanNet)<\/p><\/div>\n

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wilkins:
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wilkins:<\/p>\n

They say he's mixed in with one of the Three Evils<\/a>.
\nThe people's eyes have been opened, they understand now.<\/div>\n

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shangqunsheng:
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shangqunsheng:<\/p>\n

Q: Chinese citizen Feng Zhenghu, having been refused entry to China by the relevant authorities, to his day has been taking abode in Japan's Narita Airport. As a Chinese citizen, why is he not being allowed to enter China? Also, if he is allowed to return to China, how will he be treated?<\/p>\n

A: The relevant Chinese authorities will deal with this according to the relevant Chinese laws, such as . For the exact details you can contact the relevant departments. (response to a journalist's question at a Ministry of Foreign Affairs press conference)<\/law><\/em><\/p>\n

He used to be a Chinese citizen, now all he might be is just an ethnic Chinese.<\/p><\/div>\n

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woshizx:
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\nhttp:\/\/www.gov.cn\/banshi\/2005-08\/31\/content_27719.htm
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\n[…]<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n

I am ZX:<\/p>\n

Details on implementation of the Law of the PRC on the Control of the Exit and Entry of Citizens<\/strong><\/p>\n

Article 15 Under any of the following circumstances, border inspection points have the authority to refuse entry or exit:
\n[…]
\n2. Possession of an invalid passport or other invalid entry\/exit document;
\n[…]
\nArticle 22 PRC passports and other entry\/exit documents will under any of the following circumstances be revoked or declared invalid:
\n[…]
\n3. A Chinese citizens commits an act harmful to the security, honor or interests of the country.
\n[…]<\/em><\/div>\n

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I Signed up 4u:<\/p>\n

3. A Chinese citizens commits an act harmful to the security, honor or interests of the country.<\/em><\/p>\n

So it was based on this?
\nSo then declare his passport invalid and be done with it, no need for all this fuss.<\/div>\n

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kachemi:
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kachemi:<\/p>\n

If he likes America so much he should just go there, don't coming back pretending to be a democracy leader or whatever<\/p><\/div>\n

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I am ZX:<\/p>\n

So it was based on this?
\nSo then declare his passport invalid and be done with it, no need for all this fuss.<\/em><\/p>\n

Feng's passport expired a long time ago, he said himself that the Chinese embassy in Japan wouldn't renew his visa.
\nBy staying silent, the Chinese government probably just wants this to blow over; the minute you start responding to things like this, then you're in it, and Western media, NGOs, ‘dissidents' or whatever, even foreign ministries from this or that country, they all get involved. Which is why no response whatsoever should be given.<\/p>\n

If he's so smart, let him spend a few more years in Narita Airport, then we'll see who's really worked up over this, the Chinese government, or Japan's.<\/p>\n

First he opposed the government's policies during that storm in 1989, now when the American President came to visit he openly called on Obama to put pressure on China for its human rights issues.<\/p>\n

There's more, that's not all he's done.<\/p><\/div>\n

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I Signed up 4u:<\/p>\n

I just feel like there's no simple way to handle this. He's obviously different from those in the overseas democracy movement, even his so-called opposition to the government at most is just a point of view and not yet an action.<\/p>\n

It feels like Shanghai is just bringing the overseas democracy movement into this as an excuse to deal with him. Online opinion on this is not in the government's favor.<\/p><\/div>\n

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Song of Mulan:<\/p>\n

Another classic example of sending gifts to other countries.<\/p><\/div>\n

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Met on the Sea:<\/p>\n

Even if he is part of the democracy movement or an FLGer
\nThey should still let him come back. If he wants to come back and go to prison, who are you to stop him?<\/div>\n

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I Signed up 4u:<\/p>\n

Even if he is a democracy activist or FLGer
\nThey should still let him come back. If he wants to come back and go to prison, who are you to stop him?<\/em>
\nThere's a difference. Those in the democracy movement, FLGers, to be honest they don't do China an inch of good.
\nBut with Feng, while his views are obviously pretty right wing, his actions are moderate enough. He'll talk a lot, but then he goes and helps people uphold their rights or provides legal support.<\/p>\n

Actually there's a lot of people like Feng.<\/p>\n

If we treated them all like democracy activists or FLGers, a lot of people would feel threatened.
\nHow many people would you say belong to the moderate right?
\nLet's say about 1%, that's still in the tens of millions.
\nPutting the fear into that many people? Bad idea!
\nThe way this is being handled just doesn't feel right.<\/div>\n

\n

woshizx:
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\n\u6491\u6b7b\u4e86\u6700\u591a\u5173\u51e0\u5e74\u7136\u540e\u653e\u51fa\u6765\uff0c\u4e0d\u6b63\u597d\u7ed9\u4ed6\u4eec\u6d3b\u52a8\u8d44\u672c\u5417\uff1f\u7136\u540e\u9020\u5c31\u4e00\u7fa4\u8fbe\u8d56\u5587\u561b\u7b2c\u4e8c\uff1f<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n

I am ZX:<\/p>\n

Even if he is part of the democracy movement or an FLGer
\nThey should still let him come back. If he wants to come back and go to prison, who are you to stop him?<\/em>
\nWouldn't that then make them all a bunch of so-called ‘righteous knights'?<\/p>\n

If at most all you do is lock them up for a few years then let them out, isn't that just giving them political capital? Then wouldn't you just be making a bunch more Dalai Lama types?<\/p><\/div>\n

\n

woshizx:
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\n\u5176\u5b9e\u50cf\u51af\u8fd9\u6837\u7684\u5f88\u591a\u3002[\/quote]
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I am ZX:<\/p>\n

There's a difference. Those in the democracy movement, FLGers, to be honest they don't do China an inch of good.<\/p>\n

But with Feng, while his views are obviously pretty right wing, his actions are moderate enough. He'll talk a lot, but then he goes and helps people uphold their rights or provides legal support.
\nActually there's a lot of people like Feng.<\/em><\/p>\n

Have you considered that maybe the things this guy has done aren't as simple as what's been openly put in media?
\nIt's not like there aren't any similar cases, like the Wo Weihan<\/a> incident.<\/div>\n

\n

wilkins:
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wilkins:<\/p>\n

Since when has there been social change that hasn't had a cost in blood?
\nYou want his case to just be overturned like that? It's not that easy.<\/div>\n

\n

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\n\u5982\u679c\u4e2d\u56fd\u653f\u5e9c\u4e0d\u8ba9\u4ed6\u4eec\u56de\u56fd\uff0c\u53ea\u80fd\u8bf4\u660e\u4e2d\u56fd\u4e0d\u662f\u6cd5\u6cbb\uff0c\u800c\u662f\u4eba\u6cbb\u3002<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n

Met on the Sea:<\/p>\n

Law to begin with is used again specific actions, and not certain groups of people.<\/p>\n

It doesn't matter who you are, if you break the law, then you have to accept the legal punishment, and once you've done so, then you get to be a civilian again, that's how it goes.<\/p>\n

If you haven't broken the law, then regardless who you are, you shouldn't be punished.
\nThe process of sending people to prison is to cancel out the evil they've done to society. Once that's done, then nobody's owed anything. Once you've done your time, you get to be a man again.<\/p>\n

Just like Shih Ming-teh<\/a> in Taiwan, he did 12 years for his first offense, then as soon as he got out, 12 more years for another.<\/p>\n

If people have the guts, and are willing to\u2014and do\u2014serve time, once they've repaid their debt to society, you can't just lock them up again or kick them out of the country just to stop them from doing the same thing again. When people have repaid their debt to society, they're free. Just where do you get off wanting to treat people like that?
\nAny law which criminalizes people for things other than their actions, and seeks to criminalize entire communities, is inevitably a bad law, and one that doesn't deserve to be respected.<\/p>\n

Thus, if China is truly serious about implementing rule of law, it should do everything it can to extradite all FLGers and pro-democracy activists, give them all trials; when those are over, let them carry out their sentences, and be free to move around inside China again. If they continue to break the law, they'll be arrested again. If they get arrested a second time, at most they'll be sentenced as any repeat offenders would.<\/p>\n

If the Chinese government doesn't let them return, then all I can say is that China is not ruled by law, but by man.<\/p><\/div>\n

\n

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In any case, there isn't any crime worse than high-ranking military officials turning traitor and going over to the other side, by which I'm referring to Justin Lin<\/a>.<\/p>\n

But then hasn't Taiwan's “Ministry of Defense” said it won't let him return to Taiwan? By that they mean, if Justin Lin does return to Taiwan, he'll be subject to legal punishment, and not that they refuse to allow him to return.<\/p>\n

If Lin is willing to serve time, of course he can go back, go to prison, and then he'll be free to live in Taiwan again.<\/p>\n

But us? Do the crimes of the democracy movement or FLG compare to Justin Lin's? To go so far as to unconditionally not allow them to return, even if they're willing to go to prison for it, what kind of rule of law is that? Clearly, it's just rule of man.<\/p><\/div>\n

\n

net2003:
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net2003:<\/p>\n

Treason is a crime in America, why can't it be in China?<\/p>\n

Why are China's traitors also so brazen about talking to China about human rights, about law, as if they're so convinced that they're in the right?<\/p><\/div>\n

\n

woshizx:
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I am ZX:<\/p>\n

Law to begin with is used again specific actions, and not certain groups of people.<\/p>\n

It doesn't matter who you are, if you break the law, then you have to accept the legal punishment, and once you've done so, then you get to be a civilian again, that's how it goes.<\/p>\n

If you haven't broken the law, then regardless who you are, you shouldn't be punished.<\/p>\n

The process of sending people to prison is to cancel out the evil they've done to society. Once that's done, then nobody's owed anything. Once you've done your time, you get to be a man again.<\/em><\/p>\n

Actually there is legal basis in not letting them return to China.<\/p>\n

You want to come back? Fine, declare it in the newspaper that you've changed your ways, and put action to your words to prove that you won't commit any more acts harmful to the security of the country.<\/p>\n

Jail time isn't the only means by which to punish illegal behavior, not letting them return to China is one too. If there are other methods which will have a better effect in upholding the law, then there's no reason why they can't be used.<\/p><\/div>\n

\n

\u76f8\u9022\u4e8e\u6d77\u4e0a:
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Met on the Sea:<\/p>\n

Treason is a crime in America, why can't it be in China?<\/p>\n

Why are China's traitors also so brazen about talking to China about human rights, about law, as if they're so convinced that they're in the right?<\/em><\/p>\n

If an American commits treason and then flees the country<\/p>\n

The American government would certainly do everything in its power to extradite and them convict him.<\/p>\n

Say though that the sentence wasn't that long, that this person finishes his sentence and is still alive. He'd certainly be let out, and then revert to being a normal American citizen.<\/p>\n

They would never say, we'll you've committed a crime so we won't let you come back, and we won't sentence you either.<\/p><\/div>\n

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woshizx:
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\n\u54ea\u4e2a\u5bb6\u4f19\u8ddf\u81ea\u5df1\u7684\u56fd\u5bb6\u4e3a\u654c\u7684\u65f6\u5019\uff0c\u4e0d\u662f\u641e\u4e00\u5806\u51a0\u5195\u5802\u7687\u7684\u7406\u7531\u4f5c\u4e3a\u6321\u7bad\u724c\u7684\uff1f<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n

I am ZX:<\/p>\n

These people talking to the Chinese government about human rights and rule of law, are they really human rights defenders or the avant-garde in defending Falun Gong?<\/p>\n

Who hasn't, when going against his own country, come up with a hundred fancy reasons to serve as a pretext?<\/p><\/div>\n

\n

net2003:
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net2003:<\/p>\n

I think treason is the most serious crime there is in America, punishable by death.<\/p><\/div>\n

\n

\u76f8\u9022\u4e8e\u6d77\u4e0a:
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\n\u5bf9\u8fdd\u6cd5\u884c\u4e3a\u7684\u60e9\u6cbb\u624b\u6bb5\u5e76\u4e0d\u662f\u53ea\u6709\u5224\u5211\u4e00\u79cd\uff0c\u4e0d\u51c6\u56de\u56fd\u4e5f\u662f\u4e00\u79cd\u60e9\u6cbb\u63aa\u65bd\u3002\u8fd9\u79cd\u63aa\u65bd\u5bf9\u4e8e\u7ef4\u62a4\u6cd5\u5f8b\u5b9e\u65bd\u5177 …[\/quote]
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Met on the Sea:<\/p>\n

Actually there is legal basis in not letting them return to China.<\/p>\n

You want to come back? Fine, declare it in the newspaper that you've changed your ways, and put action to your words to prove that you won't commit any more acts harmful to the security of the country.<\/em><\/p>\n

I can't say that I've ever heard of any steps like this ever having been taken.<\/p>\n

But to allow for a moment that they could, to do so would be completely inhumane.<\/p>\n

He'd be kept apart from his family for the rest of his life<\/p>\n

Unless his family has the wherewithal too immigrate elsewhere<\/p><\/div>\n

\n

woshizx:
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\n\u7f8e\u56fd\u6709\u7f8e\u56fd\u7684\u73b0\u5b9e\uff0c\u4e2d\u56fd\u6709\u4e2d\u56fd\u7684\u56fd\u60c5\u3002
\n\u793e\u4f1a\u57fa\u7840\u4e0d\u4e00\u6837\uff0c\u5f53\u7136\u6709\u4e0d\u540c\u7684\u653f\u7b56\uff0c\u5305\u62ec\u6cd5\u5f8b\u9002\u7528\u7684\u653f\u7b56\u3002<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n

I am ZX:<\/p>\n

If an American commits treason and then flees the country<\/p>\n

The American government would certainly do everything in its power to extradite and them convict him.
\nSay though that the sentence wasn't that long, that this person finishes his sentence and is still alive. He'd certainly be let out, and then revert to being a normal American citizen…<\/em><\/p>\n

American has America's reality, China has China's national condition.<\/p>\n

The social foundations are different, of course they have different policies, including policies for application of the law.<\/p><\/div>\n

\n

\u76f8\u9022\u4e8e\u6d77\u4e0a:
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\n\u6211\u4eec\u4e00\u6837\u53ef\u4ee5\u628a\u51af\u6b63\u864e\u641e\u56de\u6765\u5224\u5211
\n\u4ed6\u81ea\u5df1\u613f\u610f\u56de\u6765\u5750\u7262
\n\u6211\u4eec\u7684\u653f\u5e9c\u4e3a\u4f55\u8981\u8ba9\u4ed6\u900d\u9065\u6cd5\u5916\uff0c\u6211\u6000\u7591\u653f\u5e9c\u5305\u5e87\u4ed6\uff0c\u6216\u8005\u653f\u5e9c\u5fc3\u865a<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n

Met on the Sea:<\/p>\n

I think treason is the most serious crime there is in America, punishable by death.<\/em><\/p>\n

Anyway, they'd still do everything they could to extradite a person who commits treason back for sentencing.
\nWe should bring Feng Zhenghu back for punishment the same way.<\/p>\n

He said he's willing to do jail time.<\/p>\n

So why does our government let him stay at large? I suspect the government's protecting him from something, either that or it itself is guilty.<\/p><\/div>\n

\n

woshizx:
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I am ZX:<\/p>\n

I can't say that I've ever heard of any steps like this ever having been taken.
\nBut to allow for a moment that they could, to do so would be completely inhumane.<\/p>\n

He'd be kept apart from his family for the rest of his life<\/p>\n

Unless his family has the wherewithal too immigrate elsewhere<\/em><\/p>\n

The most well-known Chinese person who can't go back to his own home, has probably got to be the Dalai Lama.
\nAt the time when he fled across the border into India, it was completely within the power of our air force to blow him up, in fact our air force planes at the time even saw him, only Mao Zedong himself decided to let him let him go.<\/p>\n

History has proven that letting him go at the time was completely the right decision.<\/p><\/div>\n

\n

net2003:
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\n\u81f3\u4e8e\u5bb6\u5ead\u4ec0\u4e48\u7684\u5176\u5b83\u95ee\u9898\uff0c\u4e00\u5b9a\u662f\u7ecf\u8fc7\u8003\u8651\u4e86\u7684\u3002\u7528\u4e0d\u7740\u6211\u4eec\u64cd\u5fc3\u3002
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net2003:<\/p>\n

Seeing as how Mr. Feng has chosen the path he has taken, that can only have been after serious contemplation.<\/p>\n

As for his family and other such problems, he must have taken those into consideration as well, so it's not worth us sweating over.<\/p>\n

I support him, and I encourage him to be brave and continue to carry on.<\/p><\/div>\n

\n

\u671d\u6d6a\u65e0\u8bed:
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\n\u67d0\u4eba\u51ed\u4ec0\u4e48\u81c6\u60f3\u7f8e\u56fd\u4f1a\u5982\u4f55\u5982\u4f55\uff1f
\n\u9a71\u9010\u51fa\u5883\u662f\u4e0d\u662f\u60e9\u6cbb\uff1f\u7981\u6b62\u5165\u5883\u662f\u4e0d\u662f\u60e9\u6cbb\uff1f\u7f8e\u56fd\u6ca1\u6709\u7528\u8fd9\u51e0\u62db\uff1f\u4f55\u5fc5\u4e00\u53a2\u60c5\u613f\u7684\u7ed9\u81ea\u5df1\u5706\u8c0e\uff1f<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n

Silent Rising Wave:<\/p>\n

Since some people like to compare China to America, but aren't willing to admit any difference in national condition between these two countries, I just want to ask:<\/p>\n

On what are you basing your conjecture in saying America is such-and-such?<\/p>\n

Do you feel that expelling people from the country is a punishment or not? And barring them from entering the country? Hasn't America done precisely both of these things? Why should only one of these countries have to cover up its own hypocrisy?<\/p><\/div>\n

\n

\u76f8\u9022\u4e8e\u6d77\u4e0a:
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Met on the Sea:<\/p>\n

Since some people like to compare China to America, but aren't willing to admit any difference in national condition between these two countries, I just want to ask:<\/p>\n

On what are you basing your conjecture in saying America is such-and-such?<\/p>\n

Do you feel that expelling people from the country is a punishment or not? And barring them from entering the country? Hasn't America done precisely both of these things? Why should only one of these countries have to cover up its own hypocrisy?<\/em><\/p>\n

All I know is that deporting or barring people from the country is only used on foreigners.
\nI've really never heard of this being used on a country's own citizens.<\/div>\n

\n

\u671d\u6d6a\u65e0\u8bed:
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Silent Rising Wave:<\/p>\n

All I know is that deporting or barring people from the country is only used on foreigners.
\nI've really never heard of this being used on a country's own citizens.<\/em><\/p>\n

You see, some people can only resort to subjective assumptions and babble, not like I've never seen that before.<\/p><\/div>\n

\n

\u76f8\u9022\u4e8e\u6d77\u4e0a:
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Met on the Sea:<\/p>\n

As long as he hasn't acquired foreign citizenship
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Feng Zhenghu's 92-day protest in Narita airport has ended and he now has a flight back to Shanghai booked for this Friday, just in time for Chinese New Year, but updates [zh] to his Twitter account over the past weekend suggest that Feng remains unsure over whether he'll be let back into China. This Friday […]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":4827,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[7],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-296723","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-news"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/mereja.media\/index\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/296723","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/mereja.media\/index\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/mereja.media\/index\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/mereja.media\/index\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/4827"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/mereja.media\/index\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=296723"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/mereja.media\/index\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/296723\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/mereja.media\/index\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=296723"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/mereja.media\/index\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=296723"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/mereja.media\/index\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=296723"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}