{"id":317147,"date":"2010-02-13T14:00:27","date_gmt":"2010-02-13T19:00:27","guid":{"rendered":"tag:business.theatlantic.com,2010:\/\/3.35923"},"modified":"2010-02-15T10:21:09","modified_gmt":"2010-02-15T15:21:09","slug":"firming-up-the-argument","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/mereja.media\/index\/317147","title":{"rendered":"Firming Up the Argument"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>For some reason, everyone I&#8217;ve seen who has so far responded to my piece on mortality and the lack of insurance has pulled exactly the same debater&#8217;s trick:&nbsp; they restate my argument in maximalist form, and then proceed to really kick the hell out of the strawman they&#8217;ve created.&nbsp; I mean, there&#8217;s hay and shreds of fabric on the ceiling of offices three floors above them.&nbsp; Button eyes flying off so fast that several have achieved escape velocity. Crows shrieking in terror as far away as Fresno and Marseilles.&nbsp; It&#8217;s a stunning display of . . . something.<\/p>\n<p>But I have not asserted that insuring the uninsured wouldn&#8217;t<br \/>\nsave anyone&#8217;s lives, so I don&#8217;t know why they&#8217;re making this argument<br \/>\nwhile linking to <i>me<\/i>.&nbsp; What I said is, the studies so far done<br \/>\noften cannot exclude the possibility that there is no effect&#8211;this is<br \/>\ntrue of one of the two studies that IOM\/Urban relied upon, and also of<br \/>\nthe largest observational study done to date, which found no effect.&nbsp;<br \/>\nThat is not the same as saying there <i>is<\/i> no effect.&nbsp; Health<br \/>\ndata, like economic data, is very noisy.&nbsp; Sometimes effects that we&#8217;re<br \/>\npretty sure exist just can&#8217;t be easily teased out of the data . . .<br \/>\nlike, oh, I dunno, the effectiveness of fiscal stimulus, say.<\/p>\n<p>What I <i>am<\/i><br \/>\nsaying is that we don&#8217;t know how big the effect is. Refuting me<br \/>\ninvolves, not saying that well, here&#8217;s another study showing some<br \/>\neffect, but rather, taking a stand and saying <i>we do know how big the effect is<\/i>, or at minimum, that we can prove it&#8217;s probably at least 20,000 people a year, the figure I was discussing. <\/p>\n<p>Because<br \/>\nof course, size matters.&nbsp; If you want to argue in favor of a national<br \/>\nhealth care system on the basis of improvements in mortality, then the<br \/>\nnumber really has to be quite large.&nbsp; By 2019, the CBO expects the<br \/>\ngovernment to be spending just about $163 billion more the exchanges,<br \/>\nand the Medicaid\/S-Chip expansions.&nbsp; (About $100 billion of that is to<br \/>\nbe offset by Medicare and other cuts&#8211;but I&#8217;m just trying to isolate<br \/>\nhow much we&#8217;re going to spend to expand coverage, since we could do the<br \/>\ncoverage expansion without the Medicare cuts, or the Medicare cuts<br \/>\nwithout the coverage expansion&#8211;and doing the latter would give us<br \/>\nmoney for other things, so there is an opportunity cost to using them<br \/>\nfor this).&nbsp; <\/p>\n<p>If 1,000 people die a year, that means that we<br \/>\nwill be spending $163 million per life saved.&nbsp; If the number is 5,000<br \/>\nwe would be spending $33 million.&nbsp; In fact, you need the number of<br \/>\npeople dying from lack of insurance each year to be quite large&#8211;more<br \/>\nthan 20,000&#8211;to get the dollars-per-lives-saved within the ranges that<br \/>\nsay, the EPA or the NHTSA use for doing cost-benefit analyses on<br \/>\nregulations.<\/p>\n<p>Now, obviously, as I&#8217;ve also said repeatedly, there<br \/>\nare reasons beyond mortality that we might support this system.&nbsp;<br \/>\nMortality is only one element, albeit an important one.<\/p>\n<p>But I<br \/>\nthink that journalistic hunger for &#8220;a number&#8221; has resulted in some very<br \/>\nrough numbers with a lot of weaknesses being adopted as a fact in the<br \/>\ndebates.&nbsp; They&#8217;re not facts, they&#8217;re very rough guesses, and they<br \/>\nshouldn&#8217;t have been used as a selling point for this plan without at<br \/>\nleast some investigation of how reliable they were.&nbsp; Moreover, I know<br \/>\nthat the people arguing with the study understand the problems, because<br \/>\nthey suddenly rediscovered them in regards to the data on deaths before<br \/>\nand after age 65.&nbsp; A lot of people are arguing that we should ignore<br \/>\nthe aggregate data on Medicare mortality statistics in favor of Card&#8217;s<br \/>\npaper on the discontinuity between health outcomes for ER admits who<br \/>\nare just under 65, and those just over. <\/p>\n<p>I see the argument for<br \/>\nusing easier-to-measure subgroups in an attempt to isolate causality.&nbsp;<br \/>\nBut here&#8217;s the thing:&nbsp; you cannot say, well, aggregate data isn&#8217;t very<br \/>\ngood for capturing causality, and also cite the figures from the Urban<br \/>\nInstitute, or Himmelstein et. al. as if they had some meaning.&nbsp; Those<br \/>\ndata are far worse than the Medicare data, because at least the<br \/>\nMedicare data gives you a natural experiment, and it doesn&#8217;t try to<br \/>\nisolate &#8220;the uninsured&#8221; on the basis of their insurance status on a<br \/>\nsingle day.<\/p>\n<p>It also rather misses the point of why I find the<br \/>\naggregate Medicare figures so striking, something I&#8217;ve been hammering<br \/>\nout in private emails for several days.&nbsp; People under the age of 55<br \/>\naccount for a very, very small proportion of deaths in this country.&nbsp;<br \/>\nIt&#8217;s after 60 that you&#8217;d expect to be getting the largest mortality<br \/>\nbenefit from expanding insurance coverage.&nbsp; If switching people to<br \/>\ngovernment-run insurance at the age of 65 doesn&#8217;t produce any<br \/>\nmeasurable improvements in the mortality rate of a population with a<br \/>\nhigh mortality rate, then how big an effect could a national health<br \/>\ncare system for younger people have on mortality outcomes?&nbsp; Would it<br \/>\neven register in national statistics?&nbsp; Is this the right use of $163<br \/>\nbillion? I mean, we can say that a policy is a success if it saves even<br \/>\none life, but it is not actually possible to run a country this way.<\/p>\n<p>If<br \/>\nyou want to see the argument only in maximalist terms, I&#8217;d like to see<br \/>\nsome of the people who have pushed my argument to its maximalist<br \/>\nconclusion endorse some maximalist propositions of their own.&nbsp; If<br \/>\nyou&#8217;ve used the 20,000 or 45,000 figures regularly, approvingly cited<br \/>\nthe Himmelstein et. al. bankruptcy data, and stated as a fact that the<br \/>\nhealth care bill will reduce deficits because the CBO said so, you<br \/>\nshould have no trouble signing on to the following propositions:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>Since<br \/>\nI think that the Urban and\/or Himmelstein figures are reliable, and at<br \/>\nleast 60% of the uninsured will be covered by the new plans, I expect<br \/>\nthat mortality rates among those under 65 will begin a discontinuous<br \/>\nfall by late in this decade.&nbsp; I expect them to drop by at least 10,000<br \/>\n(1.5%) and very possibly by 22,500 (3.5%), or even more, by 2025.<\/li>\n<li>I<br \/>\nexpect that within 5 years of implementing this plan, we will see a<br \/>\nkink in the bankruptcy curve representing an at least 20% decline in<br \/>\nthe overall level of bankruptcies from trend.<\/li>\n<li>Since I believe<br \/>\nthat the CBO&#8217;s accuracy at predicting the future with their reports are<br \/>\nvery high, and conservatives who question them are disingenuous, I do<br \/>\nnot believe that total government expenditures on health care will rise<br \/>\nby more than $90 billion a year + [the health care CPI&nbsp; x current<br \/>\nexpenditures] + the annual cost of the doctor fix.<\/li>\n<li>Since I have<br \/>\nfrequently cited international mortality and infant mortality figures<br \/>\nas an example of the failure of the American health care system, I<br \/>\nexpect that within 10 years of implementing this plan, we will have<br \/>\nbegun to substantially close the gap between the US and other developed<br \/>\nnations with better mortality statistics.&nbsp; I believe that this plan<br \/>\nwill ultimately reduce the mortality gap by at least a third within 25<br \/>\nyears, and virtually eliminate it within 50 years.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>I doubt<br \/>\nthat many people want to take the maximalist position, because, well,<br \/>\nthe universe is messy.&nbsp; I don&#8217;t either, which is why I didn&#8217;t take it.&nbsp;<br \/>\nI don&#8217;t think we know how many people die every year from lack of<br \/>\nhealth insurance.&nbsp; I think the number is probably smaller than Urban,<br \/>\nbecause I expect the pressure from the unobserved variable bias to be<br \/>\nupward.&nbsp; But I could be wrong.&nbsp; Further than that, I am unwilling to<br \/>\nsay.<br clear=\"both\" style=\"clear: both;\"\/><br \/>\n<br clear=\"both\" style=\"clear: both;\"\/><br \/>\n  <a style='font-size: 10px; color: maroon;' href='http:\/\/www.pheedcontent.com\/hostedMorselClick.php?hfmm=v3:b474b59f5078d6c3152a683cf78fd347:0MlhYSATEmW5c7q5o62Q81%2BpVKC%2FXH1ITqrXF7CbYGrWEzqP%2Bb6pLH6MoLvbGCamevRkMGv%2F%2FJgM'><img border='0' title='Email this Article' alt='Email this Article' src='http:\/\/images.pheedo.com\/images\/mm\/emailthis.png'\/><\/a><br \/>\n  <a style='font-size: 10px; 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