{"id":344831,"date":"2010-02-21T00:01:48","date_gmt":"2010-02-21T05:01:48","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/papundits.wordpress.com\/?p=31526"},"modified":"2010-02-21T00:01:48","modified_gmt":"2010-02-21T05:01:48","slug":"greens-claim-they%e2%80%99d-be-winning-if-they-bothered-arguing","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/mereja.media\/index\/344831","title":{"rendered":"Greens Claim They\u2019d Be Winning If They Bothered Arguing"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/papundits.files.wordpress.com\/2008\/09\/photo_56.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignleft size-full wp-image-4206\" style=\"margin:5px;\" title=\"Andrew Bolt\" src=\"http:\/\/papundits.files.wordpress.com\/2008\/09\/photo_56.jpg?w=100&#038;h=75\" alt=\"\" width=\"100\" height=\"75\" \/><\/a>By <strong>Andrew Bolt<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Only now that they\u2019re losing do they want a debate &#8230; or just a stepping up of the slime:<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p><em>AUSTRALIAN green groups have called a strategy meeting to devise ways to hit back at the climate sceptics movement, amid fears they are losing the PR war. <\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>The groups, including Greenpeace, the Wilderness Society, World Wide Fund for Nature, Australian Conservation Foundation and Friends of the Earth, have acknowledged that the public mood has shifted following the collapse of the Copenhagen climate talks and blows to the credibility of the IPCC.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em><a title=\"James Norman, of the Australian Conservation Foundation, said the strategy of ignoring climate change sceptics had not worked \" href=\"http:\/\/www.theage.com.au\/environment\/greens-take-on-sceptics-20100220-omrw.html\" >James Norman, of the Australian Conservation Foundation, said the strategy of ignoring climate change sceptics had not worked <\/a>as it had been taken as confirmation of their claims. <\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>\u2018\u2019The stakes are too high to remain silent or disorganised in the face of this systemic disinformation campaign,\u2019\u2019 Mr Norman said. <\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>He said the global campaign was being funded by anti-climate-change think tanks such as the American Atlas Economic Research Foundation and the British International Policy Network, which had both received grants from oil company ExxonMobil.<\/em><\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p>What a bizarre conspiracy theory. I have never heard of the American Atlas Economic Research Foundation or the British International Policy Network, and have never seen a dollar of Exxon money.<\/p>\n<p>Have these people ever considered just arguing on the facts?<\/p>\n<p><strong><span id=\"more-31526\"><\/span>UPDATE 1<\/strong><\/p>\n<table border=\"0\" cellspacing=\"5\" cellpadding=\"0\" width=\"10\" align=\"right\">\n<tbody>\n<tr>\n<td>\n<div style=\"float:right;\"><a href=\"http:\/\/view.picapp.com\/default.aspx?term=Penny+Wong&amp;iid=5814753\" ><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/cdn.picapp.com\/ftp\/Images\/8\/3\/c\/4\/Pacific_Islands_Forum_c30b.jpg?adImageId=10558728&amp;imageId=5814753\" width=\"254\" height=\"350\" border=0  \/><\/a><\/div>\n<div style=\"clear:left;height:0px;overflow: hidden;\"><\/div>\n<p><script type=\"text\/javascript\" src=\"http:\/\/cdn.pis.picapp.com\/IamProd\/PicAppPIS\/JavaScript\/PisV4.js\"><\/script><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td><span style=\"color:#000080;\">Penny Wong, Australian Minister For Climate Change And Water.<\/span><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<\/tbody>\n<\/table>\n<p>Hmm, or is that simply not possible? Reader MarcH fact-checks the increasingly hysterical (Australian) Climate Change Minister Penny Wong:<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p><em>Just how well does Minister Penny Wong know her Government portfolio? <\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>Wong on the ABC\u2019s world today on Friday: <\/em><\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p><em><a title=\"We've got around 85 per cent of the world's economies signed up to the Copenhagen Accord\" href=\"http:\/\/www.abc.net.au\/worldtoday\/content\/2010\/s2824747.htm\" >We\u2019ve got around 85 per cent of the world\u2019s economies signed up to the Copenhagen Accord<\/a>.<\/em><\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p><em>Number of countries in UN: 192 <\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>Number of countries providing emission target under Copenhagen Accord: <a title=\"70 \" href=\"http:\/\/unfccc.int\/home\/items\/5262.php\" >70 <\/a>(Annex I (40) non-Annex I (30)) <\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>This is 36% and not the Ministers quoted figure of 85%.<br \/>\n<\/em><\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p>And that\u2019s being generous. Most of those targets are either highly conditional or promise not real cuts at all to total emissions.<\/p>\n<p><strong>UPDATE 2<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><a title=\"Journalist Richad Orange confesses \" href=\"http:\/\/www.deccanchronicle.com\/dc-comment\/climate-change-hoax-sinking-island-316\" >Journalist Richad Orange confesses <\/a>to trying to feed one of the most popular warmist hoaxes:<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p><em>You couldn\u2019t hope for a more perfect climate change victim than Ajay Patra, the head man of Ghoramara \u2014 the island in India\u2019s Sunderban chain that is next in line to be submerged beneath the rising sea. The hungry tide has already claimed all but seven of the 100 hectares his family had once owned, Ajay told me\u2026 <\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>As we sipped tea outside Ajay\u2019s large mud bungalow, I excitedly scribbled notes, imagining how all this would go down in the Ecologist magazine, or perhaps the London-based Independent. It had already run an article reporting the disappearance of the next-door island of Lohachara, \u201cthe first inhabited island to be claimed by climate change\u201d. I felt sure they\u2019d love this too. But when I asked Ajay what he made of the fact that all of his troubles were the direct result of heavy industry thousands of miles away, he looked at me like I was mad. <\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>\u201cIt\u2019s not because of global warming, it\u2019s because of natural erosion\u201d, he said\u2026 <\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>I smiled inwardly. It was, perhaps, too much to expect a simple village leader to have a full grasp of the science of global warming. But later, as I examined the dramatic waterline of Ghoramara, I began to have doubts\u2026 Then there\u2019s New Moore Island, which appeared in the Sunderbans for the first time in 1970 and has been growing apace ever since\u2026 It\u2019s around 10,000 square metres today, and such is the scale of the sedimentary deposits building up around it that it\u2019s expected to hit 25 square kilometres in a couple of decades. <\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>To my shame, I must confess that I still tried to make the story work long after all this was apparent. And I imagine every other journalist who has arrived on these islands with global warming in mind has done exactly the same thing.<\/em><\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p>Indeed, Orange soon found<a title=\" one that published exactly the scare story he'd realised was false\" href=\"http:\/\/www.theecologist.org\/investigations\/climate_change\/269582\/the_worlds_first_environmental_refugees.html\" > one that published exactly the scare story he\u2019d realised was false<\/a>:<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p><em>His exhausted body a prisoner to the Bay of Bengal\u2019s violent tides, Dependra Das stretches out his bony arms to show his flaky, ravaged skin. He is covered in raw saltwater sores\u2026 <\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>Alongside him, stretched across the beach in long, thin lines, the villagers of Ghorama Island \u2013 including the women, elaborately dressed in their purple, orange and green saris \u2013 work daily to prop up the same black mud-and-sand fortress.<br \/>\n<\/em><\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/blogs.news.com.au\/heraldsun\/andrewbolt\/\" ><em>Andrew Bolt<\/em><\/a><em> is a journalist and columnist writing for <\/em><a href=\"http:\/\/www.heraldsun.com.au\/\" ><em>The Herald Sun<\/em><\/a><em> in Melbourne Victoria Australia.<\/em><\/p>\n<p>Read more excellent articles from <a href=\"http:\/\/blogs.news.com.au\/heraldsun\/andrewbolt\/\" >Andrew Bolt\u2019s Blog<\/a><\/p>\n<p>Filed under: <a href='http:\/\/papundits.wordpress.com\/category\/countries\/australia\/'>Australia<\/a>, <a href='http:\/\/papundits.wordpress.com\/category\/politics\/blundering-bureaucrats\/'>Blundering Bureaucrats<\/a>, <a href='http:\/\/papundits.wordpress.com\/category\/environment\/climate-alarmists\/'>Climate Alarmists<\/a>, <a href='http:\/\/papundits.wordpress.com\/category\/environment\/climate-change-environment\/'>Climate Change<\/a>, <a href='http:\/\/papundits.wordpress.com\/category\/politics\/conniving-politicians\/'>Conniving Politicians<\/a>, <a href='http:\/\/papundits.wordpress.com\/category\/environment\/'>Environment<\/a>, <a href='http:\/\/papundits.wordpress.com\/category\/environment\/environmental-activists\/'>Environmental activists<\/a>, <a href='http:\/\/papundits.wordpress.com\/category\/fanatics\/'>Fanatics<\/a>, <a href='http:\/\/papundits.wordpress.com\/category\/fear-mongering\/'>Fear-mongering<\/a>, <a href='http:\/\/papundits.wordpress.com\/category\/fraudwaste\/'>Fraud\/Waste<\/a>, <a href='http:\/\/papundits.wordpress.com\/category\/environment\/global-warming\/'>Global Warming<\/a>, <a href='http:\/\/papundits.wordpress.com\/category\/politics\/liberals\/'>Liberals<\/a>, <a href='http:\/\/papundits.wordpress.com\/category\/politics\/lily-livered-liberals\/'>Lily-Livered Liberals<\/a>, <a href='http:\/\/papundits.wordpress.com\/category\/politics\/limp-wrist-liberals\/'>Limp-Wrist Liberals<\/a>, <a href='http:\/\/papundits.wordpress.com\/category\/politics\/political-prostitutes\/'>Political Prostitutes<\/a>, <a href='http:\/\/papundits.wordpress.com\/category\/politics\/'>Politics<\/a>, <a href='http:\/\/papundits.wordpress.com\/category\/power-hungry\/'>Power Hungry<\/a>, <a href='http:\/\/papundits.wordpress.com\/category\/propaganda\/'>Propaganda<\/a>, <a href='http:\/\/papundits.wordpress.com\/category\/public-opinion\/'>Public Opinion<\/a>, <a href='http:\/\/papundits.wordpress.com\/category\/politics\/spine-donor-politicians\/'>Spine Donor Politicians<\/a>, <a href='http:\/\/papundits.wordpress.com\/category\/un-united-nations-united-nitwits\/'>U.N. &#8211; 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