{"id":411680,"date":"2010-03-10T07:49:04","date_gmt":"2010-03-10T12:49:04","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.thehollywoodliberal.com\/2010\/03\/10\/oreilly-dobbs-wrong-that-undocumented-immigrants-dont-pay-taxes\/"},"modified":"2010-03-10T07:49:04","modified_gmt":"2010-03-10T12:49:04","slug":"o%e2%80%99reilly-dobbs-wrong-that-undocumented-immigrants-don%e2%80%99t-pay-taxes","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/mereja.media\/index\/411680","title":{"rendered":"O\u2019Reilly, Dobbs wrong that undocumented immigrants don\u2019t pay taxes"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><a  rel=\"nofollow\" href=\"http:\/\/feeds.mediamatters.org\/~r\/mediamatters\/latest\/~3\/XlziOgb_Lsc\/201003100001\" >O&#8217;Reilly, Dobbs  wrong that undocumented immigrants don&#8217;t pay taxes <\/a><\/p>\n<p>On the  March 9 edition of Fox News&#8217; <em>The O&#8217;Reilly  Factor<\/em>, host Bill O&#8217;Reilly and former CNN host Lou Dobbs suggested  that undocumented immigrants &#8220;dodge taxes,&#8221; with O&#8217;Reilly asserting that the  notion that they pay taxes is &#8220;crap.&#8221; In fact, according to the Congressional  Budget Office and the Social Security Administration, undocumented immigrants  pay all kinds of taxes, including individual income, sales, property, and social  security taxes.<\/p>\n<h2>O&#8217;Reilly: &#8220;You know it&#8217;s crap&#8221; that  undocumented immigrants pay taxes<\/h2>\n<p>From the March 9 edition of Fox  News&#8217; <em>The O&#8217;Reilly  Factor<\/em>:<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p>DOBBS: I think people have to  understand clearly and unequivocally that this is not a substitute for border  security, nor port security. We still have to survey what is happening with  cargo being brought into this country. We still have responsibility for the  security of our borders.<\/p>\n<p>O&#8217;REILLY: Right. But it&#8217;s getting  better down on the southern border. I mean, that fence is working, and partially  due to the economy, there are much fewer aliens. But, look, here&#8217;s the big deal  on this ID card: the money that would come in to the U.S. Treasury would be  enormous because you can&#8217;t dodge taxes anymore. You can&#8217;t get paid off the books  anymore &#8211;<\/p>\n<p>DOBBS: Bill, what are you talking  about?<\/p>\n<p>O&#8217;REILLY: &#8212; you  know.<\/p>\n<p>DOBBS: All of the open borders  advocates &#8212; all of the unconditional amnesty advocates say that illegal  immigrants are already paying taxes.<\/p>\n<p>O&#8217;REILLY: No, that&#8217;s all talk. You know it&#8217;s  crap.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<h2>In fact, undocumented immigrants do  pay taxes<\/h2>\n<p><strong>CBO:  &#8220;[I]mmigrants pay individual income, sales, and property  taxes.&#8221;<\/strong> In a December 2007 <a  rel=\"nofollow\" href=\"http:\/\/mediamatters.org\/rd?to=http%3A%2F%2Fcbo.gov%2Fftpdocs%2F87xx%2Fdoc8711%2F12-6-Immigration.pdf\">report<\/a>  detailing the impact of undocumented immigrants on the budgets of local and  state governments, CBO found that &#8220;[a]ccording to available estimates,&#8221; there  were about &#8220;12 million unauthorized immigrants in the United States&#8221; at the time  and &#8220;those immigrants pay individual income, sales, and property taxes.&#8221; CBO  further reported that &#8220;the IRS estimates that about 6 million unauthorized  immigrants file individual income tax returns each year. Other researchers  estimate that between 50 percent and 75 percent of unauthorized immigrants pay  federal, state, and local taxes.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>From the CBO <a  rel=\"nofollow\" href=\"http:\/\/mediamatters.org\/rd?to=http%3A%2F%2Fcbo.gov%2Fftpdocs%2F87xx%2Fdoc8711%2F12-6-Immigration.pdf%23page%3D5\">report<\/a>  [footnotes omitted]:<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p>According to available estimates,  there are about 12 million unauthorized immigrants in the United States.  Federal, state, and local governments spend public funds that benefit those  immigrants, and those immigrants pay individual income, sales, and property  taxes. Most available studies conclude that the unauthorized population pays  less in state and local taxes than it costs state and local governments to  provide services to that population. However, those estimates have significant  limitations; they are not a suitable basis for developing an aggregate national  effect across all states.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p>CBO also <a  rel=\"nofollow\" href=\"http:\/\/mediamatters.org\/rd?to=http%3A%2F%2Fcbo.gov%2Fftpdocs%2F87xx%2Fdoc8711%2F12-6-Immigration.pdf%23page%3D14\">stated<\/a>:<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p>Data from the Social Security  Administration (SSA) and the Internal Revenue Service (IRS) suggest that some  unauthorized immigrants use false or fraudulently obtained Social Security  numbers (SSNs) to satisfy paperwork requirements during the hiring process and  that employers use those numbers to withhold federal, state, and local income  and payroll taxes for employees. Workers who do not qualify for SSNs can use  Individual Tax Identification Numbers issued by the IRS to file tax returns,  make payments, and apply for refunds. Although there are no reliable data on  unauthorized immigrants&#8217; rate of compliance with tax laws, the IRS estimates  that about 6 million unauthorized immigrants file individual income tax returns  each year. Other researchers estimate that between 50 percent and 75 percent of  unauthorized immigrants pay federal, state, and local taxes. For  example:<\/p>\n<p>   The SSA assumes that about half of  unauthorized immigrants pay Social Security taxes. <\/p>\n<p> Several of the states whose  estimates CBO reviewed used a model developed by the Institute for Taxation and  Economic Policy (ITEP) to determine state and local taxes paid by unauthorized  immigrants. ITEP assumes a 50 percent compliance rate for income and payroll  taxes. <\/p>\n<p> Researchers from the Urban  Institute, the Migration Policy Institute, the Pew Hispanic Center, and the  Center for Immigration Studies have assumed a 55 percent compliance rate for  income, Social Security, and Medicare taxes. <\/p>\n<p> As part of a larger study on  migration, the Center for Comparative Immigration Studies at the University of  California at San Diego conducted a survey of unauthorized immigrants and found  that, in 2006, 75 percent had taxes withheld from their paychecks, filed tax  returns, or both.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<ul class=\"unIndentedList\"> <\/ul>\n<p><strong>SSA: &#8220;Among  illegal immigrants, SSA actuaries currently assume that about half actually pay  social security taxes.&#8221;<\/strong> In a December 2005 <a  rel=\"nofollow\" href=\"http:\/\/mediamatters.org\/rd?to=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ssab.gov%2Fdocuments%2FIMMIG_Issue_Brief_Final_Version_000.pdf%23page%3D3\">brief<\/a>  by the Social Security Advisory Board on immigration, the section examining the  impact of immigration effects on social security finances stated that &#8220;[a]mong  illegal immigrants, SSA actuaries currently assume that about half actually pay  social security taxes although they are very unlikely to collect  benefits.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p><strong>CBPP:  &#8220;[U]nauthorized immigrants paid as much as $13 billion in Social Security  payroll taxes in 2007.&#8221;<\/strong> In a November 2008 <a  rel=\"nofollow\" href=\"http:\/\/mediamatters.org\/rd?to=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cbpp.org%2Fcms%2Findex.cfm%3Ffa%3Dview%26id%3D1272%23_ftnref9\">piece<\/a>  summarizing a report on immigration by the Center on Budget and Policy  Priorities, senior fellow Paul N. Van de Water wrote that, according to Stephen  Goss, Social Security&#8217;s chief actuary, &#8220;unauthorized immigrants paid as much as  $13 billion in Social Security payroll taxes in 2007. About $1 billion in  benefit payments were made based on unauthorized work.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>From Van de Water&#8217;s November 20,  2008, post:<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p>The presence of unauthorized  (undocumented) workers in the United States also has a positive effect on the  financial status of Social Security. The earnings of unauthorized workers are  less likely to be reported for tax purposes than the earnings of the rest of the  population and even less likely to result in future benefits, according to  Social Security&#8217;s chief actuary.&nbsp; Although the magnitudes cannot be precisely  determined, the actuary has estimated that unauthorized immigrants paid as much  as $13 billion in Social Security payroll taxes in 2007.&nbsp; About $1 billion in  benefit payments were made based on unauthorized work (for example, survivor  benefits paid to U.S. citizens who were dependents of deceased individuals who  had made payments into the Social Security system while performing unauthorized  work).&nbsp; Thus, undocumented immigrants improved Social Security&#8217;s cash flow by an  estimated $12 billion in 2007.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p><em>The New York Times<\/em> also reported in an April  2005 <a  rel=\"nofollow\" href=\"http:\/\/mediamatters.org\/rd?to=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nytimes.com%2F2005%2F04%2F05%2Fbusiness%2F05immigration.html%3Fpagewanted%3Dall\">article<\/a>:  &#8221; &#8216;Our assumption is that about three-quarters of other-than-legal immigrants  pay payroll taxes,&#8217; said Stephen C. Goss, Social Security&#8217;s chief actuary, using  the agency&#8217;s term for illegal immigration.&#8221;<\/p>\n<h2>Dobbs&#8217; long history of immigration  misinformation<\/h2>\n<p><strong>Dobbs has a long  history of spreading <strong>immigration information and conspiracy theories<\/strong>.<\/strong> He has <a  rel=\"nofollow\" href=\"http:\/\/mediamatters.org\/reports\/200909140005\">routinely<\/a> <a  rel=\"nofollow\" href=\"http:\/\/mediamatters.org\/mmtv\/200903030035\">discussed<\/a> the North  American Union conspiracy theory, <a  rel=\"nofollow\" href=\"http:\/\/mediamatters.org\/rd?to=http%3A%2F%2Fmediamattersaction.org%2Freports%2Ffearandloathing%2Fonline_version\">incorrectly  claimed<\/a> that undocumented immigrants drain social services and don&#8217;t pay  taxes, and repeatedly <a  rel=\"nofollow\" href=\"http:\/\/mediamatters.org\/rd?to=http%3A%2F%2Fmediamattersaction.org%2Freports%2Ffearandloathing%2Fonline_version\">amplified<\/a>  the falsehood that undocumented immigrants are disproportionately violent. He  has been an unrepentant purveyor of hateful attacks, fraudulently claiming, for  example, that immigrants are <a  rel=\"nofollow\" href=\"http:\/\/mediamatters.org\/research\/200705110004\">spreading leprosy<\/a> and  seek to <a  rel=\"nofollow\" href=\"http:\/\/mediamatters.org\/research\/200605240011\">reconquer<\/a> the  southwestern United States. And in 2009, he <a  rel=\"nofollow\" href=\"http:\/\/mediamatters.org\/research\/200907230036\">legitimized<\/a> the  thoroughly debunked birther conspiracy theory concerning the authenticity of  President Obama&#8217;s birth certificate.<\/p>\n<div class=\"feedflare\"> <a  rel=\"nofollow\" href=\"http:\/\/feeds.mediamatters.org\/~ff\/mediamatters\/latest?a=XlziOgb_Lsc:dkAlkoCruAE:yIl2AUoC8zA\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/feeds.feedburner.com\/~ff\/mediamatters\/latest?d=yIl2AUoC8zA\" border=\"0\"><\/img><\/a> <a  rel=\"nofollow\" href=\"http:\/\/feeds.mediamatters.org\/~ff\/mediamatters\/latest?a=XlziOgb_Lsc:dkAlkoCruAE:V_sGLiPBpWU\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/feeds.feedburner.com\/~ff\/mediamatters\/latest?i=XlziOgb_Lsc:dkAlkoCruAE:V_sGLiPBpWU\" border=\"0\"><\/img><\/a> <a  rel=\"nofollow\" href=\"http:\/\/feeds.mediamatters.org\/~ff\/mediamatters\/latest?a=XlziOgb_Lsc:dkAlkoCruAE:qj6IDK7rITs\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/feeds.feedburner.com\/~ff\/mediamatters\/latest?d=qj6IDK7rITs\" border=\"0\"><\/img><\/a> <a  rel=\"nofollow\" href=\"http:\/\/feeds.mediamatters.org\/~ff\/mediamatters\/latest?a=XlziOgb_Lsc:dkAlkoCruAE:l6gmwiTKsz0\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/feeds.feedburner.com\/~ff\/mediamatters\/latest?d=l6gmwiTKsz0\" border=\"0\"><\/img><\/a> <a  rel=\"nofollow\" href=\"http:\/\/feeds.mediamatters.org\/~ff\/mediamatters\/latest?a=XlziOgb_Lsc:dkAlkoCruAE:gIN9vFwOqvQ\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/feeds.feedburner.com\/~ff\/mediamatters\/latest?i=XlziOgb_Lsc:dkAlkoCruAE:gIN9vFwOqvQ\" border=\"0\"><\/img><\/a> <\/div>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/feeds.feedburner.com\/~r\/mediamatters\/latest\/~4\/XlziOgb_Lsc\" height=\"1\" width=\"1\"\/> <\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>O&#8217;Reilly, Dobbs wrong that undocumented immigrants don&#8217;t pay taxes On the March 9 edition of Fox News&#8217; The O&#8217;Reilly Factor, host Bill O&#8217;Reilly and former CNN host Lou Dobbs suggested that undocumented immigrants &#8220;dodge taxes,&#8221; with O&#8217;Reilly asserting that the notion that they pay taxes is &#8220;crap.&#8221; In fact, according to the Congressional Budget Office [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":807,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[7],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-411680","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-news"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/mereja.media\/index\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/411680","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/mereja.media\/index\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/mereja.media\/index\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/mereja.media\/index\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/807"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/mereja.media\/index\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=411680"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/mereja.media\/index\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/411680\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/mereja.media\/index\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=411680"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/mereja.media\/index\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=411680"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/mereja.media\/index\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=411680"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}