{"id":46029,"date":"2009-11-20T06:14:00","date_gmt":"2009-11-20T11:14:00","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.businessinsider.com\/stocks-overvalued-2009-11"},"modified":"2009-11-20T06:14:00","modified_gmt":"2009-11-20T11:14:00","slug":"whoops-stocks-now-20-overvalued","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/mereja.media\/index\/46029","title":{"rendered":"Whoops: Stocks Now 20%+ Overvalued"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Stocks have jumped 65% from the March lows.&nbsp; They have also blasted past fair value, which is about 900 on the S&amp;P 500 on a cyclically-adjusted price-earnings ratio (see professor Robert Shiller&#8217;s chart below).&nbsp; So, unless it&#8217;s different this time, they&#8217;re now more than 20% overvalued.<\/p>\n<p>(Jeremy Grantham puts fair value at 880 on the S&amp;P 500.&nbsp; That seems a bit precise.&nbsp; Let&#8217;s call it 900).<\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/static.businessinsider.com\/~~\/f?id=4b06797b00000000003db785&amp;maxX=616&amp;maxY=421\" border=\"0\" alt=\"shillerpe112009.jpg\" width=\"616\" height=\"421\" \/><\/p>\n<p>Of course, today&#8217;s overvaluation doesn&#8217;t tell you much about what stocks will do next week, next year, or even the next 5-10 years.&nbsp; As the chart above shows, before the 2007 market crash, stocks were overvalued for the better part of 20 years&#8211;and observing that didn&#8217;t help you make money.&nbsp; On the contrary, it usually got you fired.<\/p>\n<p>What today&#8217;s valuation does suggest is that stocks are priced to return a bit less than average over the next decade, perhaps 3%-4% real per year (inflation adjusted), as compared to the 6%-7% average.<\/p>\n<p>Today&#8217;s valuations also suggest that stocks may have gotten way ahead of themselves, especially in light of the structural problems that will continue to bog down the economy.<\/p>\n<p>As the chart above illustrates, every one of the prior mega-busts in the past century has been followed by a &#8220;trough&#8221; in which the cyclically adjusted PE ratio hit the high single-digits.&nbsp; We didn&#8217;t quite make it there in March (the P\/E bottomed around 12X), although we did get close.<\/p>\n<p>This, combined with what is likely to be a decade of deleveraging, consumer retrenchment, and sluggish growth as we work off our debt binge, suggests that we still yet might hit that single-digit low before we take off on another secular bull market again.&nbsp; This could be achieved either through another market crash, or a prolonged period of backing and filling as earnings growth gradually reduces the long-term PE ratio (this is what happened in the 1970s).<\/p>\n<p>On the other hand, it is possible that that enormous stimulus and zero interest rates over the past two years will produce that &#8220;v-shaped&#8221; recovery.&nbsp;&nbsp; At this point, given the extent of the recent rally, it would presumably have to be one heck of a &#8220;V&#8221; to send stocks soaring from here.&nbsp; But the last eight months have already made idiots out of almost everyone.<\/p>\n<p><strong>See: <\/strong><a href=\"http:\/\/www.businessinsider.com\/the-idiot-maker-rally-2009-10\">The Stock Market Rally That Turned Gurus Into Fools<\/a><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.businessinsider.com\/stocks-overvalued-2009-11#comments\">Join the conversation about this story &#187;<\/a><\/p>\n<p><b>See Also:<\/b><\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/www.businessinsider.com\/henry-blodget-stocks-back-to-fair-value-2009-6\">Stocks Back To Fair Value!<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/www.businessinsider.com\/henry-blodget-dow-5000-revisited-2009-3\">DOW 5000, Revisited<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/www.businessinsider.com\/the-idiot-maker-rally-2009-10\">The Idiot-Maker Rally<\/a><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Stocks have jumped 65% from the March lows.&nbsp; They have also blasted past fair value, which is about 900 on the S&amp;P 500 on a cyclically-adjusted price-earnings ratio (see professor Robert Shiller&#8217;s chart below).&nbsp; So, unless it&#8217;s different this time, they&#8217;re now more than 20% overvalued. 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