{"id":470911,"date":"2010-03-25T06:34:00","date_gmt":"2010-03-25T10:34:00","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.businessinsider.com\/henry-blodget-the-great-disconnect-stocks-30-overvalued-and-still-going-upmeanwhile-housing-rolling-over-2010-3"},"modified":"2010-03-25T06:34:00","modified_gmt":"2010-03-25T10:34:00","slug":"the-great-disconnect-stocks-30-overvalued-and-still-going-up-and-housing-rolling-over","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/mereja.media\/index\/470911","title":{"rendered":"THE GREAT DISCONNECT: Stocks 30% Overvalued And Still Going Up&#8230; And Housing Rolling Over"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>We don&#8217;t mean to rain on the stockmarket parade (we&#8217;re enjoying it, too), but we&#8217;ll confess to being astonished by it.<\/p>\n<p>We understand that the world&#8217;s governments are pumping money into their economies.&nbsp; We understand that that money has to go somewhere.&nbsp; We understand that, right now, that somewhere is often stocks.<\/p>\n<p>We also recognize that the stock market is &#8220;forward looking,&#8221; meaning that stock investors couldn&#8217;t care less about 10% unemployment and other depressing facts about the economy.&nbsp; As far as stocks are concerned, as long as the situation is improving, it doesn&#8217;t matter how bad the present is.<\/p>\n<p>But we&#8217;re looking forward, too, and here&#8217;s what we&#8217;re seeing:<\/p>\n<p><strong>The housing market, a huge engine of the U.S. economy via both direct spending and the wealth effect, is <a href=\"http:\/\/www.businessinsider.com\/meanwhile-the-housing-market-continues-to-roll-over-2010-3\">rolling over<\/a> and <a href=\"http:\/\/www.businessinsider.com\/california-housing-is-double-dipping-right-now-2010-3#ca-total-home-sales-down-in-jan-and-feb-two-yoy-lower-comps-in-a-row-1\">heading for a double-dip<\/a><\/strong>.&nbsp; This despite the fact that the government is still spending money hand over foot to keep house prices propped up.&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>In a week or so, the Fed is supposed to begin withdrawing some of this housing subsidy by winding up its mortgage-buying program.&nbsp; The Fed may or may not actually do this, but if it does, this move could further depress the housing market.&nbsp; And that, in turn, could put more pressure on strapped consumers who can no longer borrow from home-equity lines to fund current spending, no longer feel rich, don&#8217;t have much borrowing capacity, and, often, no longer have jobs.&nbsp; (And consumers still account for more than 70% of spending in the economy).<\/p>\n<p>A falling housing market will also likely lead to more underwater homeowners, more &#8220;shadow&#8221; inventory, more foreclosures, more pressure on house prices, and, possibly, more bank write-offs.&nbsp; The more banks are worried about future write-offs, the less likely they are to lend, and bank lending has already fallen off a cliff.<\/p>\n<p>So, basically, we think the apparent double-dip in the housing market is a big deal, and we&#8217;re surprised that the market is whistling Dixie in the face of it.<\/p>\n<p>If stocks were cheap, we wouldn&#8217;t worry about it.&nbsp; We would just assume that the market was <em>so f<\/em>orward-looking that it was gazing beyond the double-housing-dip to the eventual recovery.&nbsp; But stocks aren&#8217;t cheap.&nbsp; In fact, measured using our favorite valuation technique, Professor Robert Shiller&#8217;s cyclically adjusted PE analysis, they&#8217;re getting downright expensive.<\/p>\n<p>Check out the chart below, from Professor Shiller&#8217;s web site.&nbsp; The blue line is the cyclically adjusted PE ratio for the last 130 years.&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>Note a few things:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>The long-term average for the cyclically adjusted PE is about 16X.&nbsp; Obviously, that&#8217;s only an average.<\/li>\n<li>Stocks have spent vast periods above the average and vast periods below it, usually in multi-decade cycles<\/li>\n<li>We&#8217;ve just descended from the longest period of extreme overvaluation in history, suggesting (to us, anyway) that the next multi-decade cycle is likely to be below the average<\/li>\n<li>At today&#8217;s level, 1160 on the S&amp;P, stocks are trading at a 21X CAPE, about 30% above the long-term average<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/static.businessinsider.com\/image\/4bab3b7f7f8b9a74245f0500-619-416\/professor-shiller-sp-500-cape-chart.jpg\" border=\"0\" alt=\"Professor Shiller S&amp;P 500 CAPE Chart\" width=\"619\" height=\"416\" \/><\/p>\n<p>Now, also note that this apparent overvaluation doesn&#8217;t tell you anything about what will happen next.&nbsp; As the blue line shows, stocks can get a great deal MORE overvalued than they are today.&nbsp; And they can stay even more overvalued for a decade or more.<\/p>\n<p>But what the apparent overvaluation does tell you&#8211;or, at least, HAS TOLD you in the past&#8211;is that your future returns are not going to be very good.&nbsp; There&#8217;s a strong correlation between starting valuations and ending returns (high valuations lead to low returns and low valuations lead to high returns).&nbsp; And today&#8217;s valuations can now be described as &#8220;high.&#8221;&nbsp; (Not extreme, but high.)<\/p>\n<p>Yes, you can argue that &#8220;it&#8217;s different this time.&#8221; You can argue that, since stocks have traded at an average CAPE of more than 20X for the past two decades, we&#8217;re in a new normal.&nbsp; And you might be right.&nbsp; But they don&#8217;t call &#8220;it&#8217;s different this time&#8221; the &#8220;four most expensive words in the English language&#8221; for nothing.<\/p>\n<p>You can also argue that &#8220;interest rates are low, so P\/Es should be high.&#8221;&nbsp; That argument is in vogue right now, because there&#8217;s been an inverse correlation between P\/Es and interest rates for the last couple of decades.<\/p>\n<p>But take a look at the RED line in Professor Shiller&#8217;s chart.&nbsp; The red line is interest rates.&nbsp; As you can see, if you go back more than a couple of decades, there&#8217;s not much correlation.&nbsp; (In fact, as the great UK economist Andrew Smithers has observed, there&#8217;s none.)<\/p>\n<p>Again, Prof. Shiller&#8217;s chart doesn&#8217;t tell us what stocks are going to do in the near term.&nbsp; As owners of index funds, what we&#8217;d like stocks to do is what they have been doing, which is keep going up.&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>We&#8217;re not expecting we&#8217;re going to get excellent long-term returns from this level, though.&nbsp; And we&#8217;re really worried about that housing double-dip.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.businessinsider.com\/henry-blodget-the-great-disconnect-stocks-30-overvalued-and-still-going-upmeanwhile-housing-rolling-over-2010-3#comments\">Join the conversation about this story &#187;<\/a><\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/feeds.feedburner.com\/~r\/TheMoneyGame\/~4\/U_9Z_V7kKYg\" height=\"1\" width=\"1\"\/><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>We don&#8217;t mean to rain on the stockmarket parade (we&#8217;re enjoying it, too), but we&#8217;ll confess to being astonished by it. We understand that the world&#8217;s governments are pumping money into their economies.&nbsp; We understand that that money has to go somewhere.&nbsp; We understand that, right now, that somewhere is often stocks. 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