{"id":47418,"date":"2009-11-23T17:34:00","date_gmt":"2009-11-23T22:34:00","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.businessinsider.com\/citi-heres-the-nightmare-scenario-for-commodity-bulls-2009-11"},"modified":"2009-11-23T17:34:00","modified_gmt":"2009-11-23T22:34:00","slug":"citi-the-commodity-collapse-could-be-subprime-part-ii","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/mereja.media\/index\/47418","title":{"rendered":"Citi: The Commodity Collapse Could Be &#8220;Subprime Part II&#8221;"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>In the bank&#8217;s latest edition of its Monday Mining Minutes, Citi lays out a scenario which it calls the &#8220;Nightmare on Commodity Street.&#8221; (via <a href=\"http:\/\/blogs.ft.com\/energy-source\/2009\/11\/23\/the-source-heritage-in-kurdistan-and-uganda-bulging-inventory-levels-biogas-plant-built-us-at-copenhagen\/\">FT Energy Source<\/a>)<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px;\">So here&rsquo;s the nightmare scenario, which we hope will not happen: <br \/>Thousands of very smart speculators have accumulated the biggest ever <br \/>speculative physical raw material positions ever witnessed in the belief that <br \/>either the dollar will collapse or an ongoing global &lsquo;Supercycle&rsquo; will shake off <br \/>the effects of the credit crunch and resume business as usual. They are <br \/>funded in this venture by some of the lowest interest rates on record. What are <br \/>the threats to their thesis?. They are as follows :<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px;\">1. Governments, having pumped huge amounts of money into the global <br \/>system, find they are running our of fire-power even while economies are <br \/>still at the incubation-stage of recovery (i.e. the kind of stage we saw <br \/>displayed last week in the poor USA housing starts data). Some <br \/>governments find that suddenly their bonds are considered to be &lsquo;toxic&rsquo; <br \/>and a far higher interest rate is demanded for ongoing participation.<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px;\">2. The global economy not only experiences a slower upturn than the <br \/>consensus view, but after the recent inventory-restocking phase is over, it <br \/>relapses into a W-shaped recession. More jobs are lost and people who <br \/>have been unemployed but still able to keep up their mortgage payments <br \/>(because of near-zero interest rates) are suddenly defaulting. Banks finally <br \/>have to write down the value of these assets and housing markets around <br \/>the world are flooded with new inventory. New-build is out of the question. <br \/>Orders for new fridges, washing machines, stoves, taps and other items <br \/>that metals so depend on for demand, simply freeze.<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px;\">3. The global commercial property market finally grinds to a halt. High-rise <br \/>buildings that began to be built 18 months ago, before the credit crisis, are <br \/>finally completed. Their last copper wiring and plumbing has been <br \/>installed (always the last phase), their aluminium windows all in place. Few <br \/>new high-rise buildings are started, awaiting the glut of space to be used <br \/>up<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px;\">4. China. A real conundrum. This is either a really vibrant economy that will <br \/>keep going from strength to strength or it is an economy in which over- <br \/>investment was constantly rewarded because underlying demand was <br \/>always growing at a pace that subsequently justified that investment. There <br \/>has been substantial over-investment in recent times and the question now <br \/>is whether domestic demand and export demand will step up to the plate <br \/>to belatedly justify that over-investment. Demand has done this with <br \/>monotonous regularity in the past 10 years. The question is whether the <br \/>global credit crisis has changed that demand profile forever such that <br \/>over-investment results in ongoing medium-term overcapacity and sends a <br \/>shock wave that freezes new investment. We will have to wait patiently to <br \/>see if this threat comes to the fore.<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px;\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/static.businessinsider.com\/~~\/f?id=4b0b0d8900000000005f6ee3\" border=\"0\" alt=\"usahousingstartsvsminers.png\" \/><\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px;\">If these threats come to pass, we will truly have a &lsquo;Nightmare on Commodity <br \/>Street&rsquo;. The commodity space could resemble &lsquo;Sub-Prime II&rsquo; and would <br \/>demonstrate that investors never learned anything from the shock waves that <br \/>descended on global investment in 2H 08. This is not a new feature of human <br \/>nature. There&rsquo;s a simple principle that operates at times like this: investors <br \/>experience a huge bull market that takes asset classes from a value of 100 to <br \/>say 300. A crash comes and investors find those assets trading at 150 and <br \/>simply by virtue of the 50% fall, the assets are deemed to be cheap. Investors <br \/>pile in and the inevitable funds-flow-fuelled price rise to 230 justifies the <br \/>optimism, even while the fundamentals are not playing ball and supporting that <br \/>230 level.&nbsp; <\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.businessinsider.com\/citi-heres-the-nightmare-scenario-for-commodity-bulls-2009-11#comments\">Join the conversation about this story &#187;<\/a><\/p>\n<p><b>See Also:<\/b><\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/www.businessinsider.com\/no-raymond-james-the-bdi-doesnt-forecast-oil-prices-2009-11\">No, The Baltic Dry Index Doesn&#8217;t Forecast Oil Prices<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/www.businessinsider.com\/china-the-vampire-squid-of-commodities-2009-11\">China: The Vampire Squid Of Commodities<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/www.businessinsider.com\/valeros-refinery-shutdown-tells-a-grim-tale-about-the-real-economy-2009-11\">Valero&#8217;s Refinery Shutdown Means The Real Economy Sucks (VLO)<\/a><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>In the bank&#8217;s latest edition of its Monday Mining Minutes, Citi lays out a scenario which it calls the &#8220;Nightmare on Commodity Street.&#8221; (via FT Energy Source) So here&rsquo;s the nightmare scenario, which we hope will not happen: Thousands of very smart speculators have accumulated the biggest ever speculative physical raw material positions ever witnessed [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[7],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-47418","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-news"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/mereja.media\/index\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/47418","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/mereja.media\/index\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/mereja.media\/index\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/mereja.media\/index\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/mereja.media\/index\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=47418"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/mereja.media\/index\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/47418\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/mereja.media\/index\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=47418"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/mereja.media\/index\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=47418"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/mereja.media\/index\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=47418"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}