{"id":502035,"date":"2010-04-01T10:51:00","date_gmt":"2010-04-01T14:51:00","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.businessinsider.com\/7-reasons-jim-chanos-is-wrong-on-china-2010-4"},"modified":"2010-04-01T10:51:00","modified_gmt":"2010-04-01T14:51:00","slug":"the-7-reasons-jim-chanos-is-dead-wrong-on-china","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/mereja.media\/index\/502035","title":{"rendered":"The 7 Reasons Jim Chanos Is Dead Wrong On China"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.businessinsider.com\/7-reasons-jim-chanos-is-wrong-on-china-2010-4\/china-is-successfully-transitioning-to-a-domestically-driven-from-an-export-driven-economy-1\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"float_right\" src=\"http:\/\/static.businessinsider.com\/image\/b437544b714c95499bc92200\/jimchanos2.jpg\" border=\"0\" alt=\"jimchanos2\" \/><\/a><em>(This guest post from Eric Jackson at <a href=\"http:\/\/www.thestreet.com\/story\/10713941\/1\/jim-chanos-is-wrong-on-china.html\">The Street<\/a><\/em> our syndication partner)<\/p>\n<p>Short-seller Jim Chanos correctly saw <strong>Enron&#8217;s<\/strong> problems before  they engulfed the company. He&#8217;s now making media appearances  identifying China as his next short idea, specifically the Chinese  commercial and residential property markets.<\/p>\n<p>Chanos famously referred to  these markets as &#8220;Dubai times 1,000,&#8221; foreseeing a cascading effect of  property defaults,  non-performing bank loans, bank losses and reduced lending, a pullback  in further development and jobs, and a sharp drop in demand for  commodities.<\/p>\n<p>In short, according to Chanos, China&#8217;s property market &#8212; supporting  the Chinese economy, which is the last engine powering the global  economy &#8212; is about to melt down.<\/p>\n<p>He&#8217;s put his <a href=\"http:\/\/www.thestreet.com\/story\/10713941\/1\/jim-chanos-is-wrong-on-china.html?utm_source=feedburner&amp;utm_medium=feed&amp;utm_campaign=Feed%3A+creditwritedownsnews+%28Credit+Writedowns%27+News+Feed%29#\" >money<\/a> where his  investment thesis is by shorting internationally traded commodity and  infrastructure companies and Hong Kong property developers with exposure  to China.<\/p>\n<p>According to a <em>New York Times <\/em> article from January, Chanos  only started <a href=\"http:\/\/www.thestreet.com\/story\/10713941\/1\/jim-chanos-is-wrong-on-china.html?utm_source=feedburner&amp;utm_medium=feed&amp;utm_campaign=Feed%3A+creditwritedownsnews+%28Credit+Writedowns%27+News+Feed%29#\" >studying<\/a> the China  market last summer. He has apparently never visited the country and has  joked on TV appearances that he will never be able to visit the country  now that he&#8217;s made such bearish pronouncements.<\/p>\n<p>Instead, Chanos &#8212; like a lot of other Western commentators &#8212; bases  his views on statistics and the opinions of other Western talking heads,  many of whom also haven&#8217;t been to China lately, if ever.<\/p>\n<p>There&#8217;s a Chinese saying: &#8220;If you visit my village in three months,  you&#8217;ll notice small changes; if you visit my village in six months,  you&#8217;ll notice big changes; if you visit my village in a year, you won&#8217;t  recognize my village.&#8221; Chanos and other bears haven&#8217;t even visited the  village yet to kick the tires.<\/p>\n<p>I&#8217;ve been in China for the last 10 days and traveled around the four  largest cities &#8212; Beijing, Shanghai, Shenzhen and Guangzhou &#8212; and the  surrounding countryside. I&#8217;ve met with the management teams of eight  Chinese companies. I&#8217;ve talked with two dozen other people living in  China, including accountants, financial advisors, and property  developers. I&#8217;m convinced Chanos is dead wrong is his conclusions about  how the current Chinese property boom will play out.<\/p>\n<h2><a href=\"http:\/\/www.businessinsider.com\/7-reasons-jim-chanos-is-wrong-on-china-2010-4\/china-is-successfully-transitioning-to-a-domestically-driven-from-an-export-driven-economy-1\"> <strong>Now see the reasons &gt;<\/strong><\/a><\/h2>\n<h2>China is successfully transitioning to a domestically driven from an export-driven economy. <\/h2>\n<p><div class=\"image-container slide-image\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/static.businessinsider.com\/image\/4b4e177c0000000000d792bb-400-300\/china-is-successfully-transitioning-to-a-domestically-driven-from-an-export-driven-economy.jpg\" alt=\"China is successfully transitioning to a domestically driven from an export-driven economy. \" border=\"0\" class=\"slide-image\" \/><\/div>\n<p>The $570 billion stimulus package last   year from the Chinese government is having an effect. Unlike in the   U.S., where money is spent keeping municipal jobs and bailing out banks   and auto companies, the Chinese stimulus is going into large   infrastructure projects like high-speed rail, highways, and public   transportation, as well as directly into loans. These projects make   China more self-sustaining economically, supporting property pricing.   Even when there have been external shocks recently, like after <strong>Lehman<\/strong> failed, property market <a href=\"http:\/\/www.thestreet.com\/story\/10713941\/2\/jim-chanos-is-wrong-on-china.html#\" >prices<\/a> here didn&#8217;t  decline.<\/p>\n<ul>\n<\/ul>\n<p><\/p>\n<h2>Ghost towns are nowhere to be seen. <\/h2>\n<p><div class=\"image-container slide-image\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/static.businessinsider.com\/image\/4ba4e79a7f8b9a2203c00c00-400-300\/ghost-towns-are-nowhere-to-be-seen.jpg\" alt=\"Ghost towns are nowhere to be seen. \" border=\"0\" class=\"slide-image\" \/><\/p>\n<p>Image: Associated Press<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<p>There have been    sensationalist claims of China&#8217;s overbuilding coming from the U.S.,   including by Chanos. I&#8217;ve been looking for ghost towns during my visit   in every town and through the suburbs; I haven&#8217;t seen any. Building is   happening based on demand, not based on &#8220;no doc, no income&#8221; loans.<\/p>\n<ul>\n<\/ul>\n<p><\/p>\n<h2>Leverage isn&#8217;t an issue in the Chinese residential real estate market. <\/h2>\n<p><div class=\"image-container slide-image\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/static.businessinsider.com\/image\/4b86af137f8b9a6317ab0300-400-300\/leverage-isnt-an-issue-in-the-chinese-residential-real-estate-market.jpg\" alt=\"Leverage isn't an issue in the Chinese residential real estate market. \" border=\"0\" class=\"slide-image\" \/><\/div>\n<p>In China, you must put 30% down for your primary residence   and up to 50% down for secondary properties. Owners are on much more   stable footing as a result and home ownership is high. Rentals basically   don&#8217;t exist.<\/p>\n<ul>\n<\/ul>\n<p><\/p>\n<h2>Migrant workers continue to swell city populations at a rate of 10 million a year.  <\/h2>\n<p><div class=\"image-container slide-image\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/static.businessinsider.com\/image\/4bb1e9e07f8b9a6b2a780100-400-300\/migrant-workers-continue-to-swell-city-populations-at-a-rate-of-10-million-a-year.jpg\" alt=\"Migrant workers continue to swell city populations at a rate of 10 million a year.  \" border=\"0\" class=\"slide-image\" \/><\/div>\n<p>These workers are coming to Chinese cities from   the farms for jobs. New building has to happen in the cities to   accommodate this increased population.<\/p>\n<ul>\n<\/ul>\n<p><\/p>\n<h2>Nonperforming loans are decreasing, not increasing, in China.  <\/h2>\n<p><div class=\"image-container slide-image\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/static.businessinsider.com\/image\/4afbfbd4000000000067f76f-400-300\/nonperforming-loans-are-decreasing-not-increasing-in-china.jpg\" alt=\"Nonperforming loans are decreasing, not increasing, in China.  \" border=\"0\" class=\"slide-image\" \/><\/div>\n<p>Conventional wisdom says, that with all the sloshing around of stimulus   money in the Chinese economy, dumb loans are bound to be made and   defaults are imminent. Yet bad loans are down. They might grow in two to   three years, but the Chinese economy also will grow. Banks like <strong>Industrial       and Commercial Bank of China<\/strong>, <strong>Bank of China <\/strong> and <strong>China     Construction Bank <\/strong> are the largest in the world and are in the    process of raising money from the <a href=\"http:\/\/www.thestreet.com\/story\/10713941\/2\/jim-chanos-is-wrong-on-china.html#\" >capital markets<\/a>.<\/p>\n<ul>\n<\/ul>\n<p><\/p>\n<h2>Most mid- and large-sized property developers in China are in stronger capital positions than suspected.  <\/h2>\n<p><div class=\"image-container slide-image\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/static.businessinsider.com\/image\/4b4235220000000000ad36de-400-300\/most-mid-and-large-sized-property-developers-in-china-are-in-stronger-capital-positions-than-suspected.jpg\" alt=\"Most mid- and large-sized property developers in China are in stronger capital positions than suspected.  \" border=\"0\" class=\"slide-image\" \/><\/div>\n<p>Many have listed on Hong   Kong&#8217;s exchange and have adequate capital needs. Even if there was a   downturn in prices, these larger developers would be insulated and able   to ride out the correction even for a prolonged period.<\/p>\n<ul>\n<\/ul>\n<p><\/p>\n<h2>The Chinese government is the ultimate &#8220;Greenspan put&#8221; for China.  <\/h2>\n<p><div class=\"image-container slide-image\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/static.businessinsider.com\/image\/4b951e497f8b9ae57b8f0200-400-300\/the-chinese-government-is-the-ultimate-greenspan-put-for-china.jpg\" alt=\"The Chinese government is the ultimate &quot;Greenspan put&quot; for China.  \" border=\"0\" class=\"slide-image\" \/><\/div>\n<p>The Chinese government has the motivation and means to do whatever   is necessary to keep its economy growing. It will tighten the valves  if  it sees the market overheating. A drop in prices of 25% to 33% would   shake out some smaller property developers in a way the Chinese   government would likely see as healthy. That <a href=\"http:\/\/www.thestreet.com\/story\/10713941\/2\/jim-chanos-is-wrong-on-china.html#\" >price<\/a> correction  also would stimulate demand to  step into the breach. If there was a risk  of a more prolonged drought,  the Chinese government would act further.  If there are some bad loans  on the Chinese banks&#8217; or private trust  companies&#8217; books, the government  would &#8212; if needed &#8212; buy them.<\/p>\n<p><\/p>\n<h2>China isn&#8217;t like America at the end of the 20th century&#8230; more like the end of the 19th century<\/h2>\n<p><div class=\"image-container slide-image\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/static.businessinsider.com\/image\/4bb4a2ca7f8b9a4434c00100-400-300\/china-isnt-like-america-at-the-end-of-the-20th-century-more-like-the-end-of-the-19th-century.jpg\" alt=\"China isn't like America at the end of the 20th century... more like the end of the 19th century\" border=\"0\" class=\"slide-image\" \/><\/div>\n<p>The last seven years in the U.S. represented the last gasp and    subsequent fallout of an unprecedented 25-year credit expansion. What&#8217;s    going on right now in China is not at all bubble-like, but more the    equivalent of the building out of the railways and highways that opened    up the Western United States to the full benefits of capitalism.    Property prices are increasing in China, yes, but in anticipation of the    expected growth in the coming decades.<\/p>\n<p>At one point in the <em>Times<\/em> article, Chanos draws support from   an author named Gordon G. Chang.  &#8220;It&#8217;s going to be a bust,&#8221; agrees   Chang, whose own book on the matter is  titled &#8220;The Coming Crash of   China.&#8221; The trouble is Chang&#8217;s book was  published in 2001. You would   have been wrong to bet against China then,  and you&#8217;d be wrong to bet   against China now.<\/p>\n<p><\/p>\n<h2>Read more from The Street<\/h2>\n<p><div class=\"image-container slide-image\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/static.businessinsider.com\/image\/4abd30ffc87c2f054b2f14ee-400-300\/read-more-from-the-street.jpg\" alt=\"Read more from The Street\" border=\"0\" class=\"slide-image\" \/><\/div>\n<h2><a href=\"http:\/\/www.thestreet.com\/\">T<\/a><a href=\"http:\/\/www.thestreet.com\/\">he Street, home of Jim Cramer and Doug Kass<\/a><\/h2>\n<h5>see also: <a href=\"http:\/\/www.businessinsider.com\/how-to-move-to-asia-2010-3\">How To Pick Up Your Life And Move To Asia If You&#8217;re Not As Rich As Jim Rogers<\/a><\/h5>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.businessinsider.com\/7-reasons-jim-chanos-is-wrong-on-china-2010-4#comments\">Join the conversation about this story &#187;<\/a><\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/feeds.feedburner.com\/~r\/TheMoneyGame\/~4\/SaXhYMR-ceE\" height=\"1\" width=\"1\"\/><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>(This guest post from Eric Jackson at The Street our syndication partner) Short-seller Jim Chanos correctly saw Enron&#8217;s problems before they engulfed the company. He&#8217;s now making media appearances identifying China as his next short idea, specifically the Chinese commercial and residential property markets. Chanos famously referred to these markets as &#8220;Dubai times 1,000,&#8221; foreseeing [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":6584,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[7],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-502035","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-news"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/mereja.media\/index\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/502035","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/mereja.media\/index\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/mereja.media\/index\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/mereja.media\/index\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/6584"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/mereja.media\/index\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=502035"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/mereja.media\/index\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/502035\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/mereja.media\/index\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=502035"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/mereja.media\/index\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=502035"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/mereja.media\/index\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=502035"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}