{"id":539159,"date":"2010-04-21T23:49:30","date_gmt":"2010-04-22T03:49:30","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/techdirt.com\/articles\/20100421\/1433589131.shtml"},"modified":"2010-04-21T23:49:30","modified_gmt":"2010-04-22T03:49:30","slug":"how-engaging-is-an-open-public-discussion-if-it-costs-20-to-enter","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/mereja.media\/index\/539159","title":{"rendered":"How Engaging Is An Open Public Discussion If It Costs $20 To Enter?"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>There&#8217;s been a lot of attention paid to Pierre Omidyar&#8217;s attempt to build a new kind of local news organization in Hawaii.  Omidyar, of course, was the founder of eBay, and many of the early comments about the project made it sound like a &#8220;new&#8221; type of news organization that really was very much about making the community a part of the process &#8212; something that we&#8217;ve pointed out <a href=\"http:\/\/www.techdirt.com\/articles\/20090909\/0111116137.shtml\">makes a lot of sense<\/a>.  Omidyar also brought in John Temple, the former editor, president and publisher of the (failed) Rocky Mountain News &#8212; who had been <a href=\"http:\/\/www.techdirt.com\/articles\/20091001\/1900266400.shtml\">quite introspective<\/a> in recognizing why RMN failed.  So it seemed like the new project, originally called Peer News, had a good basis.<\/p>\n<p>But the details are coming out, and they seem&#8230; odd.   Apparently, the newly named &#8220;Honolulu Civil Beat,&#8221; which is supposed to be more like the discussion found in a &#8220;civic square&#8221; thinks <a href=\"http:\/\/paidcontent.org\/article\/419-risky-business-omidyars-hawaiian-news-startup-civil-beat-comes-with-ste\/\" >it can charge people $19.99 per month to take part<\/a>.  That&#8217;s quite a steep entrance fee to a &#8220;civic square.&#8221;  I thought part of the value of the civic square was its openness.<\/p>\n<p>Even worse, Temple (who clearly knows better) is trotting out the old school media&#8217;s most tired excuse for why paywalls will work: claiming that because the WSJ has done it, others can as well:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p><i><br \/>\n&#8220;People are paying on the Web for (publications such as) The Wall Street Journal; it has established value. &#8230; We believe people will pay for content and experience that they value.&#8221;<br \/>\n<\/i><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>But that ignores <i>why<\/i> people pay for the Wall Street Journal, which is not just that &#8220;it has value,&#8221; but that it has <i>scarce value that helps people make money now<\/i>.  I don&#8217;t recall similar information being covered in the normal civic square.  In the meantime, I&#8217;m sure there are plenty of local community sites for Honolulu already.  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