{"id":579020,"date":"2010-05-25T20:57:09","date_gmt":"2010-05-26T00:57:09","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/techdirt.com\/articles\/20100525\/1152209566.shtml"},"modified":"2010-05-25T20:57:09","modified_gmt":"2010-05-26T00:57:09","slug":"times-online-says-competitors-will-go-out-of-business-without-a-paywall","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/mereja.media\/index\/579020","title":{"rendered":"Times Online Says Competitors Will Go Out Of Business Without A Paywall"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>As Rupert Murdoch and News Corp. get ready to begin their latest <a href=\"http:\/\/www.techdirt.com\/articles\/20100326\/0239558728.shtml\">paywall experiments<\/a> with the Times of London and the Sunday Times, the company has revealed a few more details, and it looks like <a href=\"http:\/\/blogs.ft.com\/techblog\/2010\/05\/behind-the-times-new-paywall\/\" >this particular paywall will be fairly complete<\/a>.  Unlike the WSJ, this won&#8217;t be a &#8220;leaky&#8221; paywall.  The content will be opted out of Google, and there will be no way to get to it, unless you subscribe at the rather hefty price of &pound;1 per day.  What&#8217;s amazing is that the folks behind this experiment still think it&#8217;s going to be a huge success &#8212; even as nearly all of the papers&#8217; competitors are <a href=\"http:\/\/www.techdirt.com\/articles\/20100420\/0240259103.shtml\">remaining steadfastly free<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>In looking over the details, it seems pretty clear that it was set up by people with a very old school &#8220;print&#8221; mindset, even though they&#8217;re trying to add some digital elements to it.  Basically, they set it up to look just like a print newspaper.  It&#8217;s very much about &#8220;here&#8217;s the news, now take it.&#8221;  There&#8217;s little effort to allow the community to actually be a part of things.  They do allow comments, but on a limited basis, and then there will be &#8220;video and slide shows.&#8221;  This is all about delivering information.  It&#8217;s not about engaging or discussing things.  It&#8217;s entirely &#8220;we&#8217;re the experts, take the news as we see it.&#8221;  I&#8217;m sure there are some people who still want that kind of thing, but much of the world seems to be moving towards a much more participatory, community-based model.<\/p>\n<p>Amusingly, the &#8220;comment editor&#8221; for the Times insists that he&#8217;ll still Twitter links to stories &#8212; it&#8217;s just that no one will be able to read them.  That seems pretty obnoxious.  I know that even when I point to stories here on Techdirt that have a registration or paywall (even if there are easy ways around them, the readers complain).  Pointing people to stories they can&#8217;t read isn&#8217;t particularly nice.  On top of that, the comment editor, Danny Finkelstein, seems to have a bit of hubris about this whole paywall thing.  He claims that his competitors, who will offer similar news stories for free &#8220;won&#8217;t go viral, they will go out of business.&#8221;  I guess we&#8217;ll find out.<\/p>\n<p>Finkelstein, by the way, also seems a bit confused about the business of newspapers:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p><i><br \/>\n&#8220;We are unashamed about this,&#8221; said Mr Finkelstein. &#8220;We are trying to make people pay for the journalism&#8230;. I want my employer to be paid for the intellectual property they are paying me for.&#8221;<br \/>\n<\/i><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Except, in almost every case, that&#8217;s <i>never<\/i> been the case.  For pretty much all of the modern history of newspapers, the newspapers were <i>not<\/i> paid for their &#8220;intellectual property.&#8221;  Subscriber fees paid for <i>less than<\/i> printing and delivery costs.  The <i>money<\/i> was made from selling ads, and the ads were sold because (at the time) the newspapers were the only ones who could bring together a community of local eyeballs that advertisers wanted to buy.  But, by blocking that off (in the face of free competition) and limiting how useful the content is (by making it a lot less shareable or worth discussing), basically takes away that value, gives fewer reasons for people to gather, and fewer reasons for advertisers to pay.  Perhaps I&#8217;m missing something about this plan, but it seems designed to destroy all the reasons why a news publication makes money in the first place, on the confused and wrong belief that newspapers have supported themselves via &#8220;journalism&#8221; at any time in the past.  The journalism brought in the people, and the people brought in the ads.  Skipping over those details seems like a pretty big risk.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/techdirt.com\/articles\/20100525\/1152209566.shtml\">Permalink<\/a> | <a href=\"http:\/\/techdirt.com\/articles\/20100525\/1152209566.shtml#comments\">Comments<\/a> | <a href=\"http:\/\/techdirt.com\/article.php?sid=20100525\/1152209566&#038;op=sharethis\">Email This Story<\/a><br \/>\n <br clear=\"both\" style=\"clear: both;\"\/><br \/>\n<br clear=\"both\" style=\"clear: both;\"\/><br \/>\n<a href=\"http:\/\/ads.pheedo.com\/click.phdo?s=1041aaa98b0db181f57fb22544a70fff&#038;p=1\"><img decoding=\"async\" alt=\"\" style=\"border: 0;\" border=\"0\" src=\"http:\/\/ads.pheedo.com\/img.phdo?s=1041aaa98b0db181f57fb22544a70fff&#038;p=1\"\/><\/a><br \/>\n<img alt=\"\" height=\"0\" width=\"0\" border=\"0\" style=\"display:none\" src=%22http:\/\/a.triggit.com\/px?u=pheedo&#038;rtv=TechBiz\n&#038;rtv=p29198&#038;rtv=f8626\"\/><img alt=\"\" height=\"0\" width=\"0\" border=\"0\" style=\"display:none\" src=%22http:\/\/pixel.quantserve.com\/pixel\/p-8bUhLiluj0fAw.gif?labels=pub.29198.rss.TechBiz\n.8626,cat.TechBiz\n.rss\"\/><\/p>\n<div class=\"feedflare\">\n<a href=\"http:\/\/feeds.techdirt.com\/~ff\/techdirt\/feed?a=aiHvGTQ1YtQ:AEuAbgWo2VE:D7DqB2pKExk\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/feeds.feedburner.com\/~ff\/techdirt\/feed?i=aiHvGTQ1YtQ:AEuAbgWo2VE:D7DqB2pKExk\" border=\"0\"><\/img><\/a> <a href=\"http:\/\/feeds.techdirt.com\/~ff\/techdirt\/feed?a=aiHvGTQ1YtQ:AEuAbgWo2VE:c-S6u7MTCTE\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/feeds.feedburner.com\/~ff\/techdirt\/feed?d=c-S6u7MTCTE\" border=\"0\"><\/img><\/a>\n<\/div>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/feeds.feedburner.com\/~r\/techdirt\/feed\/~4\/aiHvGTQ1YtQ\" height=\"1\" width=\"1\"\/><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>As Rupert Murdoch and News Corp. get ready to begin their latest paywall experiments with the Times of London and the Sunday Times, the company has revealed a few more details, and it looks like this particular paywall will be fairly complete. Unlike the WSJ, this won&#8217;t be a &#8220;leaky&#8221; paywall. 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